For the last few days, I’ve been avoiding writing about this commercial made by the National Republican Trust PAC. But it looks like it’s going to make the rounds in the news cycle, so here goes:
Apparently, there’s a proposal to build a mosque in lower Manhattan just a couple blocks from Ground Zero. The ad above, which NBC and CBS have refused to air, is pretty obvious in its opinion about the proposal:
The ad mixes images of 9/11 and Muslim militants while slamming a controversial proposal to build a mosque and Muslim community center in lower Manhattan.
“To celebrate that murder of 3,000 Americans, they want to build a monstrous 13-story mosque at Ground Zero,” the narrator says over images of the destroyed World Trade Center. “This ground is sacred, where we weep, they rejoice … that mosque is a monument to their victory.” [THR]
Wow. Just… WOW. I sometimes forget that people that ignorant and hateful actually exist. Of course, there’s a chance that the National Republican Trust PAC is just trolling the entire country, in which case: bra-vo. They probably hired the ad’s creative director off the 4chan message boards.
(Okay, I can’t help but add a more serious note on this: Ten years ago, I took a solemn oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” The NRT PAC is a genuine domestic enemy.
Not only does their ad preposterously link a single proposed mosque — a religious building in which American Muslims can worship under their Constitutionally-protected freedom — with the Al Qaeda terrorist network, but they also expose their own organization as a network of fear, ignorance, and hate — the same emotions that led to 9/11. And that’s the irony: anyone who so blindly hates another race or religion like that could never actually tolerate living in such a richly multicultural city as New York, could never know and love the people who lost their lives in the Twin Towers. So f*ck off, NRT PAC, and stop acting like you’ve got the sole rights to what America is.)
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It’s still okay to hate Canadians, right?
Oh yes. Canadians killed JFK, after all.
So only on ABC then. During The Bachelorette I would imagine.
It’s actually a community center. Not a mosque. Though there will be prayer space. My favorite story about the protest against the building is that two Coptic Christians from Egypt showed up at the street protest to participate. And they got booed and heckled at by their fellow protesters who assumed they were Muslim.
Replace the words “NRT PAC” with “Jon Bois” and that could have been a comment when Matt was on vacation.
“Wow. Just… WOW. I sometimes forget that people that ignorant and hateful actually exist.”
I know, right? It’s almost as if they flew an airplane into a building and slaughtered thousands of innocent people. Oh wait. . .
Jesus Fucking Christ.
What’s next? Do we let the locals vote on whether or not Jews can build a synagogue in bumfuck Alabama?
It’s also o.k. to hate the Swiss. If they hadn’t invented the clock, I’d still be in bed, dreaming!
It’s almost as if they flew an airplane into a building and slaughtered thousands of innocent people.
Yes, dipshit, the Muslim-American citizens who live in lower Manhattan and are seeking to build this community center were the ones who flew the planes on 9/11.
I live in Brooklyn, and there’s a mosque not far from my apartment. I have no problem with Muslims, and the from what they’ve told me, they feel very much the same way that Germans do about the Holocaust (it’s a horrific part of their past that they’re constantly reminded of and ashamed of such actions). We’re all supposed to have the right to practice our own religion with freedom and tolerance, it’d be un-Constitutional not to extend that right to the Muslims who’d congregate at the Ground Zero mosque/community center.
I passed by during one of the recent protests, and observed that the hate-mongering protestors didn’t seem to mind buying water and Snapples from the dozen food carts operated exclusively by Muslims right across the street.
@Rick: Yeah, that’s the thing, it’s not even a mosque, it’s a community center. And there is already (and has been for years) a huge mosque in New York City, although it’s not in lower Manhattan.
is it me, or is “The Audacity of Jihad” a ridiculous not-that-subtle allusion to Obama?
My neighbors are installing an above ground pool.
I find this way more offensive than building a Mosque next to ground zero.
how many muslims does it take to fly an airplane? 1.57 billion, give or take 1.57 billion.
We don’t take kindly to people peacefully practicing their chosen religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment ’round these parts.
@Otto
I could be wrong but I don’t think NRJ was saying that those who want to build this mosque/community center/whateverthefuckitis were directly responsible for 9/11. That’s just plain silly. He was making just pointing out Matt’s rather ironic follow-up.
If so, I apologize.
But after watching a video that lumped together the terrorists and all Muslim-Americans as the “they” who attacked “us,” I took that to be more of the same right-wing retardery.
Here’s the thing: (dusts of soap box and steps on up) I’m gonna be a while so grab a snack. There is already a Mosque in the existing structure they are renovating (not building) The Mosque occupies the ground floor of a 13 story building. They are building a community center in the same building. The NY Post originally ran with the story with half assed information and it snowballed from there. And here’s a fucking news flash for these idiots. Its a terrorists job by definition to terrorize. To instill fear. If you become afraid, then the terrorists win. The collective opinions on this matter and the fear mongers aren’t even NYers. NY went back to work the next day, while Californians hid in a fucking vacuum for 2 weeks. The only good thing that came out of 9/11 was that Hollywood actually shut the fuck up for a little while. NY will be fine without the collective opinions of a bunch of fear mongers and religious ideologists. (Steps off box, bows and moonwalks gracefully out of the picture)
I get the feeling the National Republican Trust isn’t on board with the whole “winning hearts and minds” thing.
*Pete Campbell Approves*
A community center?!?! That’s even worse!
But seriously, someone call Channing Tatum so he can save the community center with his dance crew.
@Stepen: No way. NRJ clearly stated that he believed all Muslims to be responsible for 9/11 by saying “they”, as in those seeking to build the community center, killed thousands of people on 9/11.
Which is likely the stupidest thing said here since Tony Homo used to comment. And that’s a while back now.
Stories like this is another reason why people might not want a mosque/cultural center built at ground zero.
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@ Upstate.. You didn’t just go all 2004 on us now did ya ? Back then, selling Stingers to Mosques was just a fad. Kinda like snap bracelets.
So am I allowed to build a German beer hall next to the Wailing Wall or not?
TGoJW, but not as big of fad like todays silly bandz. They’re everywhere!
Hateful and ignorant, yes, but at the same time very convincing. Where do I sign?
So am I allowed to build a German beer hall next to the Wailing Wall or not?
Absolutely. After a day of wailing in the hot sun, those folks would love a frosty brew.
I wouldn’t stock up on too much pork sausage, though.
I come for the TV blogging, I stay for the contrived messages about Freedom and America.
I’m kinda torn. This is clearly offensive, but at the same time, I’m in favor of all opposition to building houses of worship, as people who believe in magical men in the sky deserve nothing but mockery and ridicule.
I’m fine with the place, but I love the ‘its a community center’ line. So when is potluck night? i want to bring my famous ham casserole
NY went back to work the next day, while Californians hid in a fucking vacuum for 2 weeks.
Not sure I understand what that means. I would be much obliged if you could jump back on the soap box for clarification.
/surfs to work
/eats vegan breakfast
/kisses husband
AWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH, MUTHA FUCKIN’ REC CENTER, SON!
This is America. You don’t like it, you do what any honorable American would do and buy the building out from underneath them. Then legally fail to renew their lease. I’m getting sick and tired of everybody trying to convince everyone else to agree with their politics. That said, Islam is not a religion but a sociopolitical tool invented by Muhammad in order to unite the splintered tribal community of arabs he lived in under his rule. Or at least so I learned in Catholic school.
“Burt” has a husband???
“NY went back to work the next day, while Californians hid in a fucking vacuum for 2 weeks.”
I went back to work that day, bitch. It’s not Afraid of Terrorist Biz, it’s Show Biz.
It would be better to have a rational immigration policy that prevented people who are hostile to American values from arriving in the first place. Who exactly was saying “hey, the Muslim-world is so great, let’s import it here?”
haha fart
If this 13th floor Victory Mosque is built, it will be only second to Mecca as a place of worship for all terrorists and want to be terrorists.
The writer of this post is of the most ignorant kind of person. If you want to know hate, google Daniel Pearl, dumbass.
10 years from now some dipshit liberal will be interviewed on TV and say “they seemed like perfect neighbors, so peaceful. Who knew they were capable of this destruction.”
Fuck you, you fooled us once. Why don’t you fight with us if the extremeists don’t represent your religion.
If Reagan was still President the whole middle east would have been bulldozed by now and gas would be .25 cents a gallon.
@David C — Because all Muslims supported what happened to Daniel Pearl, right?
Do some people not realize that the terrorists killed innocent Muslims during 9/11 too?
If Reagan was still President…
WE’D HAVE A ZOMBIE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
A ZOMBIE WITH ALZHEIMER’S!!!
Yeah, that’s the “solution” proposed by right-wing retards, all right.
To Lothars parents> Please monitor your child while they are on the internet!
Fucking idiots, get your crayons out and draw us a pretty picture.
My last two cents- I hope they build the Democratic national headquarters, the ACLU headquarters, Habitat for Humanity, PETA and any other governmental giveaway agency next to it.
Oh, Hollywood can relocate there also.
Yikes, CC. PoFlaWas all over the place. That’s no way to spend a lovely Friday evening in July…
There is more proof of bigfoot than there is the “peaceful muslims” you left wing assfaces constantly bring up any time muslims are trying to build their fucking global caliphate right under your noses. You can pat yourselves on the back, and congratulate each other on how noble your liberal viewpoint is, all you want; This fucking mosque is a thumb in the eye of the victims of 9-11, and these muslims fucks know it. That is why they are doing it. Their leftist, ass-kissing apoligists(some of whom are in these comments) will facilitate them.
@The Drizzle: Is it hard to sleep at night? Your tin foil hat must be pretty noisy when you get into bed. Go fuck yourself.
I am a Muslim, and the fact that so many people are so full of hate against this mosque, even though there are already three or four that reside in NYC now, is disgusting and pathetic to me.
May I bring up an event that happened in 1995, and was the worst terrorist attack on American soil before 9/11? Some guy named Timothy McVeigh (I’m sure you remember him), who was a US Army veteran and also born Irish Catholic, killed over 160 people.
I bring this up because in the memorial that was built for the victims of the OKC bombing, there is a corner that has a statue erected by a Catholic church, and the church itself was almost ruined by the blast.
Also, like many of the commenters and Matt have said before, hate and fear is exactly what the terrorists want. Get your shit together.
Hmm…Christians Upset, that the Muslims, are now doing what Christianity did…
I wonder why…
hmmm…
@samerochocinco:A “statue in the corner erected by the catholic church” is EXACTLY the same as a 13-story victory mosque built near the very site of mass murder committed by the followers of your wonderful religion. How do you feel knowing the 950 million extremist muslims are making the 12 moderate ones look bad?
BTW: Until I hear proof of Mcveigh yelling “Praise Jesus” and making a martyr video to Father Flanigan, dont even try and pretend that he was on the same kind of Religious mission your boys are. Mcveigh was a jew-hating,anti-semitic dickhead who hated America. He would’ve fit right in at any mosque in America.
Have any of you bothered to investigate the problem with this mosque? The objection is that a radical imam is behind this mosque – a man who has asserted that Bin Laden was “made in the USA” and that the US government was an “accessory to 9/11.” He is also associated with several groups that the DOJ has declared unindicted co-conspirators to terrorism. The problem with the ad is that it painted with too broad a brush – if the word “they” was clarified so it was obviously referring to those behind this mosque and not all Muslims, the ad would be fine. It’s painfully obvious that this miscreant selected this location with a purpose and the people of New York should not tolerate that.
And you can all stop with your constitutional arguments – nothing would prevent this group from erecting their mosque a few blocks away from ground zero.
I should mention that his name is Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
I fail to see how this has anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. What’s the connection here? The attackers were muslims so all muslims are automatically evil? Some extremely retarded logic here.
Sooooo I wonder which religion has more deaths in its name, christianity or islam? Yes,I wonder.
Now look, I’m not a hateful person, but people seriously want to build a mosque so close to Ground Zero?? That’s the equivalent of us building Wal-Marts over every major city or area that we’ve destroyed. Yeah, the commercial was a bit much, but I have to say I agree with the overall message.
Even retarded logic by Phil! Hurray!
But Phil, please clarify: by ‘us’ I presume you mean the American government? Firstly, I don’t think the government builds Wal-Marts. Secondly, please explain which government is the equivalent ‘them’ in your comparison.
Alternatively, you can say that it is an awful analogy, on par with the video.
Y’all so stupid, Muslims are nothing to fear. Finding the Coalition for the Liberation of Itinerant Tree-dwellers is what we should really be worried about.
I had a decent response to your “points” (using that term loosely) here ready to go, then I realized something: I don’t have to answer jack shit to you, nor do I really want to. You come across as the kind of person that just denounces anything slightly off kilter with what he believes, and it’s one-track minded faux-intellectuals like you whom I try to avoid every day, for my sanity’s sake. Oh, and lovely usage of the word “retarded”. Guess it’s perfectly okay to stick up for one group while offending another. Might I also mention that many close friends of myself and my family are Muslim? I’m well aware that there are mosques in NYC, and if this one gets built then whatever, fine, no sweat off of my back, every religion should have equal rights. I’m done explaining myself, I’ve wasted more time on this than I cared to. Make what you want of my “awful” analogy, I just felt like saying what I said at the time. Sue me.
That’s cool Phil. Clearly you are not good with words, so I shouldn’t have taken your post seriously. By the way, I have close friends who are black too!
Right, so I guess you’re not a fan of Mel Gibson then, which is surprising given that idiots tend to agree with each other. Night Einstein.
@The Drizzle: At first I thought you were just paranoid and fearful of something you know, but now I realize you’re just retarded and you’ve got the anonymity of the Internet. I really need to stop feeding trolls.
While it is true that the people who would worship there (If it is a mosque, not a community center) are not terrorists, you can be sure that the terrorists (Who are Muslims), would see it as a victory, and that alone could make one rethink the whole idea. If the Muslim community does not want to be looked upon as sympathizers of terrorists, it shouldn’t help the enemy (There’s still a war going on, right?) feel vindicated…
Claudemtl, the moment we decide to do or not do something because of how “terrorists might see it”, then that is the moment that the terrorists have won.
Hate? Your claim that because there’s a video decrying the largest attack on US soil ever (more deaths than Pearl Harbor) that the PAC must be filled with hate.
First, that’s your perception. Obviously skewed, but all yours.
Second: The United States has been truly united with Nationalistic Pride a couple of times in history…a fact that’s no doubt behind the nation’s current problems.
If you want to live with extremist Muslims–who do not hate– then move. No, you’ll bitch bitch bitch, but cry foul if affected by something the magnitude of 9/11.
You’re saying, essentially, that if someone murdered your wife, mother, father, whatever, that you’d be willing to hang that person’s picture on the wall.
We’re so busy worrying about “hurting feelings” or “infringing on rights” that we can’t focus on becoming a great nation.
If I were you, so unhappy with America, I’d move. I hear Afghanistan is nice during the summer months.
How did they get Optimus Prime to do the voiceover for the ad?
Your claim that because there’s a video decrying the largest attack on US soil ever (more deaths than Pearl Harbor) that the PAC must be filled with hate.
First, that’s your perception.
No. That’s what it is. There’s nothing more inseparable than hate and fear, and this is dripping with both. “Where we weep, they rejoice.” They. They rejoice. Muslims. Not Muslim terrorists. Are we still fighting terrorists in your world, or are we fighting Muslims?
There’s nothing sadder than people who don’t know what they’re afraid of, and make up for it by wrapping themselves in the flag.
….and still nobody pays attention to the the terrorist sympathizer behind this mosque
No Tim, everyone is too busy telling us how bigoted and retarded we are to even broach the subject of the backers of this fucking mosque.They are calling it the “Cordoba” mosque; naming it after the center of Islamic conquest, and the center of the Islamic caliphate in the middle ages. I’ll bet thats all a coincidence, though, aint it samerochocinco? These fucking cockroaches are laughing at how quick some of you will prostrate yourselves to maintain your liberal bona fides. Oh, they are also going to open it on 9/11/11. Also a coincidence, aint it,samerochocinco?
BTW 85: we are fighting terrorists who happen to ALL be muslims, and they are going to build a 13 story finger in the eye of the city they attacked on 9-11. If a christian organization wanted to build a church next to an abortion clinic that 19 of its members bombed, you same fuckers would be rattling the fucking roof about how it was insensitive and wrong.
the bigot argument is odd indeed. Even if a terrorist sympathizer was not behind this mosque, there seems to be a clear intent to target people affected 9/11. Of every parcel of land in the city of new york, you had to pick THAT parcel of land? The interpretation of Islam is debatable, but its not debatable that islamic terrorists fight in the name of Islam – whether they distort its teachings or not. It would strike me as an unconscionable display of disrespect to build a mosque here, not to mention intolerant and disingenuous, if even a mainstream mosque tried to go up there. Alas, that point is moot, because the guy behind this is basically a terrorist.
it will be interesting when the president is forced to take a position on this issue
it will be the cambridge police incident all over
this mosque CANNOT stand
@jed i dont think you have much to worry about….the public outrage has been pretty intense. if that ad is fixed so its not anti-islam, it will get aired and people will learn about this, and oppose it
“Not only does their ad preposterously link a single proposed mosque — a religious building in which American Muslims can worship under their Constitutionally-protected freedom — with the Al Qaeda terrorist network” – UM, actually…..this single proposed mosque is linked with terrorists (maybe not specifically al qaeda, but it is linked with terrorists). There’s a difference between linking an entire religion with terrorists and one mosque. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the ones behind this mosque are. I suggest you do your research before making statements like this.
you sound like a real expert on freedom of religion when you aren’t trying to be smart or funny about entertainment. Didn’t realize you felt so strongly about the right to worship – oh, no you are somehow connecting this with some idea of diversity. Sure, that’s not embarrassing or incoherent.
Very informative. Truly insightful. Never really thought about hate being the cause of 9/11. Why can’t more people see things as clearly and simply as you? Why do they hate? Don’t they know, God is love? Hate is wrong and unconstitutional somehow?
I concur, Killlem, I mean fuk em all, I say too.
I am sure there is nothing more to this commercial or story than blind, incomprehensible hatred. Putting this sort of strong opinion, moralizing does not belong on my constitutionally protected sacred airwaves with their political speech (constitution shredders! where be our sworn protectors?). Why, it would be like the US erecting a trophy at Hiroshima!! How hateful.
Thanks for breaking it down for us, so we can avoid hard thoughts, feelings beyond love and hate, good and evil, and be certain and judgmental about the same things it’s okay to express other people’s feelings about, like you! Now more time for soft entereainfo, right?
Wow phonin, your use of sarcasm is sooo cool and smart and funny I wanna be just like you when I grow up because I bet you have tons of friends! I mean only somebody who’s totally awesome and popular spends his free time reading blogs he clearly hates making “clever” and “witty” comments tearing down the writer rather than bringing any sort of real, intelligent debate to the table. I bet you get laid by hot chicks like, every day and that you’ve got a huge wang.
‘Amazing Grace’ on the bagpipes? ‘AMAZING GRACE’ ON THE BAGPIPES.
So it’s just a COINCIDENCE that the Victory Mosque is set to open Sept. 11, 2011? Well, I do believe this mosque will attract ‘Peace Pilgrims’ from ALL over the Islamic world, and if they’re like previous ‘Peace Pilgrims’ they will look to leave their mark as well. NYC should bear in mind Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s contribution to this debate, because those who visit and wish to ‘show their feelings’ will likely do it locally. so Mayor Bloomberg’s actions (or failure to act) will likely have a DIRECT impact on the safety of the voters in NYC. (Please note, those pushing hardest for this Islamic Victory Memorial do not live in NYC.)
matt, i think you should stick to tv… keeps out the crazies
9/11 was an inside job anyway, you fucking tools. wake up from your left/right paradigm and focus on the true enemy.
@ Dude
Except for the fact that its not called the Victory Mosque, nor has it even been approved yet for construction, nor has it announced any opening date (for 9/11/2011 or any other day), and the fact that Bloomberg has given the project his full backing on grounds of religious freedom and government non-interference, you’re totally 100% correct.
But I really have to wonder why, in your mind, building a mosque is more likely to inspire a terrorist attack then angrily denying people the right to do whatever the fuck they want.
Mcveigh was a jew-hating,anti-semitic dickhead who hated America. He would’ve fit right in at any mosque in America.
Or your typical Tea Party rally.
I can’t help laughing at the fact that most of the people who are railing so angrily against this community center being built are the same people who think New York is a cesspool of faggy liberal socialist freaks who are bringing down America one abortion at a time. They’d be just happy if everyone in Manhattan jumped into the Hudson, but God for fucking bid any dirty muslims should build a place of worship there.
For anyone who thinks Muslims are peaceful and will happily share the country with non-Muslims (infidels) needs to wake up. Read the Koran and learn about Sharia-Law. The goal of every Muslim is to convert ever non-believer and kill or reduce to second class status those that will not convert (once they’re majority). It’s also part of Sharia law to obey local laws and rules in generally do everything to fit in until Muslims have a majority and can install a theocratic state. Don’t take my word for it, research it yourself. It’s Muslim law, only peaceful until they have enough people in a land to take over. The goal of Islam is to not just bring it to the entire world but to have the entire world under rule of Sharia Law.
Also, Muslims advocate keeping your wife in line with the cane. Women that are to vocal are not beat enough. Again don’t take my word for it research it yourself.
For those to lazy to look things up I suggest watching this film; Islam: What the West Needs to Know
ISLAM IS NOT A PEACEFUL RELIGION.
Christ on crutches, this thing isnt a fucking mosque, and it is not linked with terrorists. The imam leading the effort isn’t Osama’s BFF, he’s a longtime New York resident who writes books and starts organizations to try and create peace and understanding between Islam and the West. Which I’m sure means he’s some kind of sleeper agent, right, you crazy bigots?
@Holy Hell: whoaaa…do you have anything to back that up? it’s not linked to terrorists? He’s merely a long time NY resident who writes books and starts organizations? Have you read about this guy?
I think they have a right to build it. That said I do think it is in poor taste. It would be the same as if the Japanese tried to build a Japanese cultural appreciation monument at Pearl Harbor. Nothing wrong with celebrating Japanese culture. However, celebrating at Pearl Harbor however would be insensitive.
They builders of the mosque lack foresight.
Given who they are, they do not lack foresight, this is intentional. I mean come on…a guy with ties to several groups that the DOJ has labeled unindicted co-conspirators to terrorism, a guy who was on 60 Minutes less than a month after 9/11 asserting the US was an “accessory” to 9/11, and a target opening date of 9/11/11?
It appears the Emperor has already won…
MadMax, those are all very good points that most people either choose to ignore or are completely ignorant of to start with; however, please don’t knock beating your wife with a cane until you’ve tried it. My beers are now colder, sandwiches tastier and whites whiter than ever.
I heard a rumor that a mosque is being built inside the white house… can anyone confirm?
/sarcasm, please don’t storm into my mom’s basement FBI
The notion that commie-fag-libruls are allowing the incremental advance of some sort of Sharia hellscape is not only incredible, but also disregards our nation’s history of fending off tyranny. Look, you either believe in American exceptionalism or you don’t. We can handle this mosque. Harden the fuck up.
Do assholes like Drizzle know that Matt was in the Marines and fought in Iraq? He laid his life on the line so fucktards like you can spout off moronic conspiracy theories about a mosque opening on 9/11/11.
@ Tim
What actual proof (not rumors or innuendo) do you have that this thing is linked to terrorists?
@ LMAFO
Again with this crap about the opening date for 9/11/11. Where the fuck are you getting this from? The fucking thing hasn’t even been approved to be built yet, and the only reference I saw to a building time said it would take 3 years to complete. As for what this guy said, is he wrong? Did US policies not help the rise of Osama and his organization?
@catpuncher
Huh, I guess a billion Muslims can’t be wrong about everything.
@Holy Hell
@Holy Hell
Forget about conspiracy theory’s for a moment.
You mind addressing my above post or is it just easier to ignore because it’s not speculation and conspiracy but stated fact?
If you don’t feel like reading the above post I will write it down again for you.
What do you think about Sharia Law and the goal of Islam to have the entire world under rule of Islam and Sharia Law?
And I’m not talking the same way Christians want to ‘convert’. Sharia Law actual makes a point for Muslims in a land where they are a minority to be peaceful and obey the laws UNTIL they have a majority or fighting chance. Then it’s no longer pretending to be peaceful anything goes in the name of Islam if it’s against unbelievers. Don’t believe me? look it up.
Also would you address the fact that is accepted to keep your wife in-line by beating her in Islam.
$100 says the crazies that invaded this post went right back to fucking their sisters in their bomb shelter/moonshine “factory” within 20 minutes of making comments here.
*checks PayPal account, waiting for loads of money to start pouring in*
Arguing with other people on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics…
Even if you win, you’re still retarded.
That is all.
It’s been well documented, but I’ll lay it out again. He is active in the group CAIR, labeled by the Dept of Justice in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator to terrorism in the HLF case. CAIR remains an unindicted terror-funding coconspirator. On 60 minutes, a month after 9/11, he said, “U.S. policies were an accessory to the crime that happened. We [the U.S.] have been an accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. Osama bin Laden was made in the USA.” There’s a long list of his past associations, but those are the worst. Moreover, he paid for the property in question in cash, refusing to disclose where the cash came from, other than it was from a Saudi Arabian source.
this was reported by several news outlets. I believe the three places i heard about this was the NY post, Fox News, and the huffington post. You’re right that its highly unlikely, if not impossible, that this would be completed by then, but the fact that Rauf wants it to open on that date says a lot about his motives.
I love when people try to say that “Christians have spilt more blood than muslims ever will”. Did you ever stop to think that they did that back in the medieval times? You know, back when people used swords and bows to kill one another. There was no such thing as electricity, the laws of the land were forced on others. They were such savages then that they would accuse women of being witches if they were independent or different. They’d burn them at the stake. They also decided to declare a holy war on people they believed were inferior to them because they did not live in castles and did not believe in the same religion as them.
Surely, the world has progressed since then? Surely, technology and time has enlightened us so that we live with freedom and respect for one another, including women.
The only thing that many of the radical islamic people have adopted of this “new” and “inferior” world is the more advanced ways of killing people. People that they believe are inferior to them because they do not live in castles and believe in the same religion as them.
Two wrongs don’t make a right people. (The following is to make the Christians killed more! arguement look retarded)… So because Hitler massacred millions of Jews, the Jewish people are more justified now in rounding up people who look/are “Aryan” and killing them? But surely the Nazis killed more than these Jewish people ever could!
@Tim holy crap i didn’t even realize that. i thought they were just mad that something muslim was going up. thanks for the insight. regards.
A small part of any group doesn’t represent the whole. Saying that’s the same as saying Christians who protest Comic-Con represent the entire Christian religion. So everyone who’s a christian hates comics? Don’t think so.
Saying that this is only being fought for by people who want to not hurt the feelings of others and then saying that this is just a terrorist attempt to “poke America in the eye” and should be stopped are doing it for the same reason but for a different group.
These are the only real complaints I had with the posts so far, keep it up Internet…
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are you pointing to yourself jeff, or the poster above you. Strong case can be made for both
Quick name a ATHEIST war.
I say it’s ok to build a mosque when we can build a church or a synagogue in Baghdad or Kabul.
@russ Gulf War, Korean war….there are many.
Otto:
First off, it’s the Western Wall. Ignorant people call it “wailing (& yes, this includes Jews who aren’t thinking when they say it)” because people pray & cry there. To say they are “wailing” is rude at best.
2ndly, the Western Wall is the site of the temple – think of it as being like the Vatican, or Westminster Abbey. Would you suggest building a beer hall there? I’m guessing not.
The first person was being sarcastic to make a point – you were being flippant.There’s a major difference.
Offensive? I trust you were out of the womb on that morning. You witnessed the parties in the streets that took place in the middle east. You have clearly forgotten who the enemy is. 3000 of your fellow citizens were murdered by these people, whats offensive is that any group would even consider letting a mosque be built anywhere in NYC.
Maybe you pussies should stop trolling the internet and start serving in the armed forces. Freedom isnt free and it would be a good thing if some of you learned that on the front lines. Let’s see how understanding you would be of these people once you see your buddy get his head blown off by an insurgent. If WWII was the greatest generation then this one is the worst. Your worse than the hippies because at least the hippies had beliefs. Your just a bunch of lazy cowards.
JDC, grow up. Your baseless and ignorant reaction is exactly what Matt was talking about. This is America and Freedom of Religion is a tenet of our American society.
Timothy McVeigh blew up 168 people and was a Christian. Count the Christian worship centers in the Ground Zero vicinity.
Perhaps, with a little more tolerance, you wouldn’t be looking over your shoulder in fear of retaliation for the hate you’re projecting.
Tell me, what was it like growing up in the Westboro Baptist Church?
@jdc:
What’s offensive is using the images of 9/11 like this ad does.
Yes there were Muslims celebrating the attacks, but that doesn’t mean that all Muslims are hateful people.
@procrastinate you were making a decent argument until you invoked McVeigh and Christianity. Absolutely not analogous. It’s not that the islamo-nazis happen to be muslim, its that they are doing it in the name of islam. Hate? You’re damn right I hate terrorists and just because we hate them does not mean we hate all Muslims. Nor are Americans required to be tolerant of anyone.
Read some of these names:
Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah
Touri Bolourchi
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury
Mohammad S. Chowdhury
Jamal Legesse Desantis
sounds like a list of al-qaeda terrorists right?
NO! you pieces of shits, these are names of people who died in the world trade center attack on september frikkin 11 2001
and the list goes on and on, follow the frikkin link
[islam.about.com]
@ali wow you are one ignorant girl. I’m pretty sure everyone in the world recognizes muslims died on 9/11. Therefore, Islam must be completely inconsequential to the discussion? Um, no. People who point out the fact that the Islamo-Nazis kill in the name of Islam do not necessarily hate Muslims you racist bitch.
no, YOU racist fuckhead, the point is that god forbid we can have a mosque that serves the muslims of that locality that die and bleed just the same as other americans
islam is only as consequential to the discussion as the hate it gets from bigots like yourself
Re: Tim
“We [the U.S.] have been an accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. Osama bin Laden was made in the USA.”
What exactly do you find so terrible about that quote?. The second sentence is a bit dramatic and glib, yes, but the underlying point is accurate. Patriotism doesn’t mean glossing over your nation’s mistakes.
@ali ROFLMFAO
@jjc wow you are an idiot.
@jjc it’s amusing how you adjusted the quote to make Imam Rauf refer to the United States in a “we” context. Further, not even Imam Rauf himself asserted that the US has, in your words, “been an accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying int he world.” But, indeed, our policies did cause 9/11. Just as the the Brits caused the islamo-nazis to bomb London, the Spaniards caused the Madrid bombing, the Italians. Yes, any nation who dares stand up against these barbarians and defend freedom have brought whatever retaliation they may receive on themselves.
also the Jews being jewish brought the holocaust on themselves because, you know, if they weren’t Jewish, Hitler would have left them alone
Did Warming Glow ever apologize for this post?