Another main issue in the show has been the Raylan/Ava/Winona triangle. Ava and Winona seem to represent almost a yin and yang: Ava takes action, Winona is often a damsel in distress, Ava is strong and independent, Winona can sometimes come across whiny and needy, etc. One thing I’ve noticed is that this leads to divisive viewer reaction to the two women. Is that something you’re conscious of when you’re writing?
I guess it’s always a concern… with a male-oriented, testosterone-y show. I can’t talk too much about what we’re doing with Ava or Winona this year without gushing spoilers. But, as you saw in 301, Ava is getting to do some take-charge face smashing. And there’s some major stuff with Winona coming up.
As to whether we’re conscious of it? Totally. We read blogs. We had some very long conversations about both of them at the beginning of the season. And thank goodness we have two very talented honest-to-goodness females in the writer’s room.
I’ve gotta ask… personal preference, Ava or Winona? Personally, I’d go with Winona, if only because hanging around Ava seems to increase the odds you will get blasted with a shotgun or kabonged in the head with a skillet, and I try to avoid those kinds of things in general.
Dude, I don’t want to get kabonged with a skillet, or have a bunch of cash stolen from my locker. I plead the 5th.
Fiiiine. You know what, Joelle hugged me at the premiere, so I’ll give Ava the edge.
So far this season we’ve been introduced to two new villains: Neal McDonough’s slick mobster character, and the absolutely terrifying Limehouse. I have two questions about this: First of all, I know you can’t give away too much here, but can we expect those two storylines to intersect at some point this year? Second of all, can you please make Limehouse less scary going forward? That speech he gave at the end of episode two? HOLY MOLEY. It gave me the heebie-jeebies. Thanks in advance.
First of all, we don’t cater to pansies. Your name is “Danger,” for f-ck’s sake. Sack up or watch “Burn Notice.” (Ed. note: Jon later pointed out that this would be an excellent slogan for “Justified.” I concur.) We’re not making Limehouse less scary. And yes, Ben Cavell wrote an AWESOME speech for Limehouse at the end of 302.
As for our two villains intersecting, uh, well, I think it’d be pretty dumb if they didn’t, right? That’s all I’ll say.
Carla Gugino was terrific in her “kind of Karen Sisco but named Goodall but really Karen Sisco” guest spot. Did you guys know she was going to be playing the role when you were writing it, or did that all shake down later? And will she be making more appearances this season? I thought the chemistry between her and Timothy Olyphant was great.
Oh, Carla. *Swoon* [sighs]. I never got to meet her. Um, yes, it was written with her in mind, and obviously as a nod to that other Karen from the Leonardverse, whose name we could not use. There is an interview with Ben that I think is going up on the “Justified” blog in the next couple of days where he talks about that character more in-depth.
And to the second question, it’s certainly a character we’d like to see more of, but no, it’s not happening this season.