I got lucky enough last Friday to tape about a 6 minute radio interview with Mykelti Williamson about the show. Could not have been a nicer, more soft-spoken guy. Then I saw the final scene with him and Raylan and…damn. Amazing television, and also, I could never be an actor.
And just to chime in on what Limehouse meant, I took it as more the “Mrs. Givens got ‘comfort’ in the holler.”
i just get a smile on my face anytime boyd and raylan are about to have a scene together. i sincerely hope this seasons ends with them teaming up to take out Quarles.
also per last nite’s episode im switching from Team Winona to Team Eva.
Between Ava, Mags, Aunt Helen, and Not!Sisco, I think Justified deserves some applause for having some of the strongest, best-written female characters on TV. Even Ellen May the Oxy-Addled Hooker showed more spine and resourcefulness than any of the women on The Walking Dead.
Okay, I thought it was kind of obvious foreshadowing that Ava is pregnant but nowhere do I see anything else about it. Did anyone else catch that vibe?
The bar scene with Raylan she takes a little sip of liquor and then they cut to the glass of water she has next to her still full drink. And then again when they are celebrating Boyd’s speech and they are drinking at the bar she refuses to do a shot with Boyd and company. Couple that with her entire storyline this episode of mothering and protecting Ellie May and as Jam Cakes so eloquently put it : “DAMN LOOK AT THE TITS ON AVA!”
I just thought the lady brought her a water back because she didn’t know she was from Harlan, where bitches don’t need a water back.
I didn’t think she was drinking with Boyd and them after the debate due to the fact that she FUCKING SHOTGUNNED A GUY IN THE BAR and had not yet told Boyd.
Guess she could be pregnant. maybe it was obvious and I am just slow.
Couldn’t it also be because she’s been shown to be a problem drinker in the past? She kind of spiraled into a drunken mess at the end of S1, and I thought part of her living arrangement with Boyd at the beginning of S2 was that he quit crime and she quit or cut back on her drinking.
I have slowly but surely turned bith my wife and my mother into Justified fans.
Last night after the scene where Raylan and Boyd spoke in the jail my wife turned to me and said, “My favorite parts are always when they talk to eachother”…one of the many reasons I married her.
Also, she told me that when we have kids, if it is a boy she wants to name it Raylan. I said that if we do that his middle name has to be Givens so I can call him Raylan Givens.
They have one of the best, I guess, “relationships” on TV. And no I’m not doing a homoerotic deconstruction of the show. It’s just that certain interactions are almost always A+: Walter White and Jesse, Don Draper and Pete, Archer and Lana, Louis CK and Pamela Adlon. But Raylan-Boyd is way towards the top of the list.
Anyone else suspect that Limehouse and Boyd are just taking Quarles for a ride? That Limehouse is double crossing Quarles and feeding Boyd anything he wants to know all the while taking as much money from Quarles as possible. They make it appear as if Boyd went to Limehouse first and then Limehouse double crossed him by going to Quarles, but that doesn’t sit well with me. It makes more sense for Boyd and Limehouse to work together to overcome the outsider. Boyd’s initial conundrum was he didn’t have the men to deal with Quarles and then shortly thereafter he went to Limehouse. What if it’s all part of their plan, but Quarles eventually figures it out and loses his shit?
Yup. It’s just like Downtown Clay Davis taking Stringer for a ride. Where is Quarles getting the funds though? Didn’t Detroit cut him loose last episode?
Yup, awesome seeing Raylan furrow his brow and know some shit is about to hit a fan. I love the ‘always cool’ Raylan, but the Raylan Winona talked about in the pilot – the Raylan who is the angriest man she has ever known, even though he works so hard to hide the anger – I want to see that Raylan come out more.
I’m often mildly perplexed by the folks who go up against Raylend in this show. They all evidently know that he’ll shoot you as soon as look at you, yet they continue to antagonize her.
I like how Limehouse immediately reaches for the booze after Raylan says that. It’s like he says to himself, “Oh shit I went to far. Better get this guy a drink.”
My new favorite game is to guess which scenes will be giffed the next day. There were a few moments with Raylan that I thought would get the treatment, but I was wrong on each. Now I have to go back and see what they were….
That said, last nights scenes between Raylan and Boyd and especially between Raylan and Limehouse were incredible. Mr. Olyphant brought it in this episode!
Does any show do throwaway characters better than Justified? Just think back. The crazy/awesome dentist, Fletcher Nix, the old bomb maker, Tanner’s mom, crazy speedo judge. I would watch any spinoff shows featuring any of these characters.
Someone — Sepinwall? — noted this about the show, how the minor characters are so well drawn. The example he used was the state trooper we always see, who had the kids along with him in one episode, eating something like fried chicken for breakfast because their mom was sick. A small, quick moment, but one that fleshes the guy’s world out quickly, when any other show would have cast some stiff as State Trooper #1.
“crazy speedo judge” aka Judge Reardon played by Stephen Root has been on several episodes, but you are correct, the list of throwaway characters is pretty good.
So much goodness in this episode although I wasn’t too happy about the shrewd explosives guy getting shot in the back. That was cold blooded but man, when Limehouse’s lackey showed up as promised with the money for Tanner’s mom, and Raylan had hooked up the new TV…. *Rings up mom.Asks for money*
I am glad to see that they went back to old-fashioned pyrotechnics after last weeks weird-looking CGI car bomb. Also, Ava shooting the pimp = weirdest boner.
Was Mrs. Givens romantically involved with Limehouse? I don’t know if I’m reading too much into it, but it seems to me like the subtext suggests their relationship ran deeper than just a battered wife and her protector.
I took that a different way — Arlo used to beat his mom, which is why she came there, and Limehouse was going to tell stories about how badly she had it.
I tend to agree with Otto. Limehouse was gonna talk about how awful his mom had been beaten by his dad and how scared she was of him. Probably something he didn’t want to think back on even all these years later.
I forget how it was worded, but I thought an earlier episode suggested sexual escapades routinely took place between the white women and their saviors in Noble’s. Which obviously caused pseudo-racists like Arlo to become even more enraged. Or maybe I just like the thought of Limehouse putting’ to Mrs. Givens before he whooped Arlo’s ass.
They may have suggested sexual escapades but it doesn’t mean it happened (routinely). Angry, white, wife-beating racists don’t need a lot of proof to jump to such conclusions.
Mattox, the only problem I see with that is that, when he was telling Boyd the story, Raylan had no problem recounting the beating Arlo put on Mrs. Givens.
I just think that the idea that black men and white women were engaged in that type of relationship thirty years ago in Harlan and it was widely known would have caused nothing short of a small scale war to erupt.
I think that Otto and Mattox’s interpretations of Limehouse’s episode-ending comments are spot on. That wasn’t what gave me the impression that Limehouse and Ma Givens had a thang going on. It was more the way Limehouse talked about her in this episode and in a previous one–it carried the tone of some sort of intimate familiarity. But maybe that’s just Limehouse being Limehouse.
Maybe I’m way off, but I thought that was the point. Even though everyone knew what was going on, no man was crazy enough to go looking for trouble in Noble’s, until crazy-ass cracka Arlo Givens came along!
It’s a shame Tanner wasn’t quite so stupid or he may have just put the gun in his pocket. Is Sheriff Napier the only active moron left this season? The rest seem to have been killed off with style.
To say nothing of the bomb not going off when Earl took the BAG FULL OF 5,000 CASH, WHICH WEIGHS MORE THAN A GUN away from Tanner without anything happening
@wehavehair I thought of that too, but the gun could have just been the straw that broke the landmine’s back.
.. Or it triggered with his weight when he initially stepped on it (with his gun) and then he grabbed the money, but the additional weight doesn’t add to the trigger point? I don’t know how modified landmines work.
A few thoughts: -the scenes with Raylan and Sheriff Napier were great -I miss Dickie and Dewey -curious to see what Limehouse knows about Raylan’s momma -Team Ava 4 life after last nights episode
FUN FACT: I lost 90% of this post moments before I was originally going to publish it and had to throw it back together super fast, so if I missed anything glaring, I apologize.
Where’s that player-hater, Jubbs, hiding?
I got lucky enough last Friday to tape about a 6 minute radio interview with Mykelti Williamson about the show. Could not have been a nicer, more soft-spoken guy. Then I saw the final scene with him and Raylan and…damn. Amazing television, and also, I could never be an actor.
And just to chime in on what Limehouse meant, I took it as more the “Mrs. Givens got ‘comfort’ in the holler.”
How did ya’ll like “Raylan, the Cable Guy?” At least we know if Justified ever gets cancelled Raylan has a back up plan.
No mention of Raylan getting the trucker to stand in as a bomb expert? ”Social awkwardness is often the curse of genius.”
“Boyd Crowder for president” was my facebook status last night. I guess great minds do think alike!
i just get a smile on my face anytime boyd and raylan are about to have a scene together. i sincerely hope this seasons ends with them teaming up to take out Quarles.
also per last nite’s episode im switching from Team Winona to Team Eva.
and yeah eva is gonna have to choke a bitch shes tough i like her
i dont know about everybody else my fav is boyd i think hes awsome always in control love him
Between Ava, Mags, Aunt Helen, and Not!Sisco, I think Justified deserves some applause for having some of the strongest, best-written female characters on TV. Even Ellen May the Oxy-Addled Hooker showed more spine and resourcefulness than any of the women on The Walking Dead.
Winona!
Don’t forget Loretta!
Boyd’s line–”Harlan County elections ain’t over until the dead have voted”–will be my next neck tattoo.
Justified kicks ass!!! I can’t wait to see what Raylin does to Quarles.
Anybody else get a Chris Traeger vibe from Quarles last night? I kept hoping he’d say “Literally” for some reason.
Okay, I thought it was kind of obvious foreshadowing that Ava is pregnant but nowhere do I see anything else about it. Did anyone else catch that vibe?
The bar scene with Raylan she takes a little sip of liquor and then they cut to the glass of water she has next to her still full drink. And then again when they are celebrating Boyd’s speech and they are drinking at the bar she refuses to do a shot with Boyd and company. Couple that with her entire storyline this episode of mothering and protecting Ellie May and as Jam Cakes so eloquently put it : “DAMN LOOK AT THE TITS ON AVA!”
Anyone else notice any of this?
I just thought the lady brought her a water back because she didn’t know she was from Harlan, where bitches don’t need a water back.
I didn’t think she was drinking with Boyd and them after the debate due to the fact that she FUCKING SHOTGUNNED A GUY IN THE BAR and had not yet told Boyd.
Guess she could be pregnant. maybe it was obvious and I am just slow.
Couldn’t it also be because she’s been shown to be a problem drinker in the past? She kind of spiraled into a drunken mess at the end of S1, and I thought part of her living arrangement with Boyd at the beginning of S2 was that he quit crime and she quit or cut back on her drinking.
I have slowly but surely turned bith my wife and my mother into Justified fans.
Last night after the scene where Raylan and Boyd spoke in the jail my wife turned to me and said, “My favorite parts are always when they talk to eachother”…one of the many reasons I married her.
Also, she told me that when we have kids, if it is a boy she wants to name it Raylan. I said that if we do that his middle name has to be Givens so I can call him Raylan Givens.
They have one of the best, I guess, “relationships” on TV. And no I’m not doing a homoerotic deconstruction of the show. It’s just that certain interactions are almost always A+: Walter White and Jesse, Don Draper and Pete, Archer and Lana, Louis CK and Pamela Adlon. But Raylan-Boyd is way towards the top of the list.
Anyone else suspect that Limehouse and Boyd are just taking Quarles for a ride? That Limehouse is double crossing Quarles and feeding Boyd anything he wants to know all the while taking as much money from Quarles as possible. They make it appear as if Boyd went to Limehouse first and then Limehouse double crossed him by going to Quarles, but that doesn’t sit well with me. It makes more sense for Boyd and Limehouse to work together to overcome the outsider. Boyd’s initial conundrum was he didn’t have the men to deal with Quarles and then shortly thereafter he went to Limehouse. What if it’s all part of their plan, but Quarles eventually figures it out and loses his shit?
Yup. It’s just like Downtown Clay Davis taking Stringer for a ride. Where is Quarles getting the funds though? Didn’t Detroit cut him loose last episode?
“I’ve got stories about your momma”
“That would hurt”
Jeeeeeeesus. Reminder folks; don’t fuck around with Raylan Givens. It can only endly badly.
Yup, awesome seeing Raylan furrow his brow and know some shit is about to hit a fan. I love the ‘always cool’ Raylan, but the Raylan Winona talked about in the pilot – the Raylan who is the angriest man she has ever known, even though he works so hard to hide the anger – I want to see that Raylan come out more.
I’m often mildly perplexed by the folks who go up against Raylend in this show. They all evidently know that he’ll shoot you as soon as look at you, yet they continue to antagonize her.
Angry Raylan is basically Seth Bullock.
I like how Limehouse immediately reaches for the booze after Raylan says that. It’s like he says to himself, “Oh shit I went to far. Better get this guy a drink.”
After the look that he shot, I figured he’d be taking Limehouse for a ride on the bar.
I don’t think Limehouse dropped the mom bomb without accurately predicting the consequences first. He meant to nudge Raylan but not shove him.
My new favorite game is to guess which scenes will be giffed the next day. There were a few moments with Raylan that I thought would get the treatment, but I was wrong on each. Now I have to go back and see what they were….
That said, last nights scenes between Raylan and Boyd and especially between Raylan and Limehouse were incredible. Mr. Olyphant brought it in this episode!
Does any show do throwaway characters better than Justified? Just think back. The crazy/awesome dentist, Fletcher Nix, the old bomb maker, Tanner’s mom, crazy speedo judge. I would watch any spinoff shows featuring any of these characters.
Someone — Sepinwall? — noted this about the show, how the minor characters are so well drawn. The example he used was the state trooper we always see, who had the kids along with him in one episode, eating something like fried chicken for breakfast because their mom was sick. A small, quick moment, but one that fleshes the guy’s world out quickly, when any other show would have cast some stiff as State Trooper #1.
“crazy speedo judge” aka Judge Reardon played by Stephen Root has been on several episodes, but you are correct, the list of throwaway characters is pretty good.
So much goodness in this episode although I wasn’t too happy about the shrewd explosives guy getting shot in the back. That was cold blooded but man, when Limehouse’s lackey showed up as promised with the money for Tanner’s mom, and Raylan had hooked up the new TV…. *Rings up mom.Asks for money*
That one scene from next week with Raylan and Quarles made me wish we jumped forward a week with Daylight Savings Time.
Harlan County? Daylight Savings Time?
You just lit the Grandpa Jones signal, son.
Even if next week is just 52 minutes of the camera circling Raylan and Quarles, COUNT ME IN.
FYI: I will go to great lengths to link to En Vogue videos.
That’s why I married you.
I am glad to see that they went back to old-fashioned pyrotechnics after last weeks weird-looking CGI car bomb. Also, Ava shooting the pimp = weirdest boner.
First off, don’t talk about Raylin’s momma. Second, DAMN LOOK AT THE TITS ON AVA!
Glad (or perhaps ashamed) I’m not the only one to repeatedly notice that re: Ms. Crowder’s rack.
Those are fucking nice……
….her bra sits way low below the shoulder blades…….that’s engineered for hangin’..
Was Mrs. Givens romantically involved with Limehouse? I don’t know if I’m reading too much into it, but it seems to me like the subtext suggests their relationship ran deeper than just a battered wife and her protector.
I thought it was suggested earlier in the season that white women went into Noble’s Holler for protection and “comfort”.
I took that a different way — Arlo used to beat his mom, which is why she came there, and Limehouse was going to tell stories about how badly she had it.
I tend to agree with Otto. Limehouse was gonna talk about how awful his mom had been beaten by his dad and how scared she was of him. Probably something he didn’t want to think back on even all these years later.
I forget how it was worded, but I thought an earlier episode suggested sexual escapades routinely took place between the white women and their saviors in Noble’s. Which obviously caused pseudo-racists like Arlo to become even more enraged. Or maybe I just like the thought of Limehouse putting’ to Mrs. Givens before he whooped Arlo’s ass.
/paging Dr. Freud……
They may have suggested sexual escapades but it doesn’t mean it happened (routinely). Angry, white, wife-beating racists don’t need a lot of proof to jump to such conclusions.
Mattox, the only problem I see with that is that, when he was telling Boyd the story, Raylan had no problem recounting the beating Arlo put on Mrs. Givens.
I just think that the idea that black men and white women were engaged in that type of relationship thirty years ago in Harlan and it was widely known would have caused nothing short of a small scale war to erupt.
I think that Otto and Mattox’s interpretations of Limehouse’s episode-ending comments are spot on. That wasn’t what gave me the impression that Limehouse and Ma Givens had a thang going on. It was more the way Limehouse talked about her in this episode and in a previous one–it carried the tone of some sort of intimate familiarity. But maybe that’s just Limehouse being Limehouse.
Finally…!!
We know where the white wimmin be at….
Maybe I’m way off, but I thought that was the point. Even though everyone knew what was going on, no man was crazy enough to go looking for trouble in Noble’s, until crazy-ass cracka Arlo Givens came along!
It’s a shame Tanner wasn’t quite so stupid or he may have just put the gun in his pocket. Is Sheriff Napier the only active moron left this season? The rest seem to have been killed off with style.
This is an excellent damn point.
To say nothing of the bomb not going off when Earl took the BAG FULL OF 5,000 CASH, WHICH WEIGHS MORE THAN A GUN away from Tanner without anything happening
The mob boss’s son is still alive and kicking. And Quarles, despite all his panache, may prove himself a moron yet.
@wehavehair I thought of that too, but the gun could have just been the straw that broke the landmine’s back.
.. Or it triggered with his weight when he initially stepped on it (with his gun) and then he grabbed the money, but the additional weight doesn’t add to the trigger point? I don’t know how modified landmines work.
Is Ava gonna have to choke a bitch?
A few thoughts:
-the scenes with Raylan and Sheriff Napier were great
-I miss Dickie and Dewey
-curious to see what Limehouse knows about Raylan’s momma
-Team Ava 4 life after last nights episode
FUN FACT: I lost 90% of this post moments before I was originally going to publish it and had to throw it back together super fast, so if I missed anything glaring, I apologize.
You know how good a speechifier Boyd Crowder is when he can get away with making fun of Sheriff Napier’s haircut.
So Ava is pregnant I guess.
I’ve always thought of Boyd’s hair as presidential. It is nice to finally have that stance justified.
I see what you did there!
Crowder/Crowe 2012. Pappy Van Winkle for all, cole slaw for none