NOTE: I’ll open a SPOILER thread at the bottom of this post’s comments section. Please contain all your “upcoming on GoT” talk to there. If you mention something that hasn’t happened on the show yet outside of said thread, you’ll be banned. The only way to be unbanned: giving me all your dragons. No dragons, no dice.
More so than any other “Game of Thrones” episode, “Garden of Bones,” which WAS going to be the name of my spa-slash-puppy hotel, invoked the most HOLYSH*TWHATISHAPPENING moments yet. It began with a simple fart joke – and then we were treated to an amputation, Joffrey threatening Sansa with a crossbow, Joffrey showing his inner Patrick Bateman to two of Tyrion’s “gifts,” a chest full of Ned Stark’s bones, MORE incest, a rat gnawing his way through someone’s chest, a conversation about sliced-off fingers, and, of course, that HOLYSH*TWHATISHAPPENING smoke monster birth scene.
Sunday night was certainly “dark and full of terrors.” And Joffrey is officially THE WORST.
- From now on, every episode of “Game of Thrones” must begin with a fart joke.
- Does Robb have a covered-in-blood fetish, or is Talisa/Jeyne just that pretty? Probably both.
- Some viewers have been complaining about the lack of battles this season (like how we never actually see the Starks destroy the Lannisters). What those people are missing is that “Game of Thrones” isn’t about that; it’s more interested in behind-the-scenes deals and secret treacheries. In other words: YOU’RE WRONG, Internet people.
- I’m pretty sure the disgusting piece of cloth the Dog covered Sansa with gave her ear mites. And heartworms.
- “There’s no cure for being a c*nt.” CLASSIC BRONN.
- Margaery’s dress looked like an ice cream cone.
- I’m so happy that we were finally introduced to “Arya’s list.” It’s only a matter before that becomes the name of a sh*tty emo band.
- The bald dude from the Thirteen who didn’t speak (we’ll later learn his name) looks like one of the Gentlemen from the “Buffy” episode “Hush.” But with a more reflective head, like he just took it out of a bowling ball shiner.
- I've been mispronouncing "Qarth" this entire time, too.
- Some random WordPress blog tells me that Chicago is “the greatest city that ever was, or ever will be.” I guess they haven’t tried Daxos’s famous Daxosauce Pizza.
- Good to know that Stannis is as rigid about grammar as he is about everything else.
- This is the worst person on the Internet:
- Attractive Women of "Game of Thrones" Power Rankings, Episode 4: #5. Melisandre, #4. Roz, #3. Margaery, #2. Talisa, #1. Daenerys.
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My mother came to visit during the ghost birth scene. She did not understand.
Melisandre: “For the night”
Renly, interrupting : “night is dark and full of terrors. We get it, alright” :rollseyes:
Anyone else think the Roose Bolton casting was maybe a little off the mark? The casting in general has been fabulous, but I’ve always imagined him as more of a high-voiced, pale-eyed, super creepy guy. Thin in stature and weird. Like the main bad guy from “Dark City” if you’ve seen that. Anyways, the guy they got is fine I’m sure. I just they had an opportunity to pick from somewhere other than the “grizzled, tough guy, English actor” barrel…
I’m very disappointed that they re-cast the Mountain as one of the Knights of Ni, Asha/Yara kinda sucks and so does Shae. Everything else has been pretty damn on point though.
Opening scene from the next episode: The third of Daenerys’ riders rides back to the khalasar’s desert encampment. “Hey guys, I’m ba.. where is everyone? Helllllooooooo? Shit.” He dies. [End scene]
I think he found refuge in the city of Plothall.
so that tulisa whatever sextape was indeed insidiously viral.
Game of Thrones/Tron mash-up anyone?
[9gag.com]
Someone has never read 1984
dammint wrong post to reply to (drunk)
I’m sorry…but I will never believe that a rat can claw through my stomach…it’s not possible.
but your cool with dragons, snow zombies and shadow babies? mkay just checkin.
Also who has trouble getting over a midget? Just need a bit of a run up.
Big enough rat? very very possible. They’re vicious fuckers who’ll tear through most anything. Also, your skin and muscle really aren’t that tough.
[en.wikipedia.org]
Seems realistic to me, if it can draw blood by biting and scratching, no reason it can’t make a hole through the stomach, it will be long and agonizing, but it seems possible.
Those little fuckers can claw and chew through brick, concrete, and aluminum siding when properly motivated. I dont think your abs of steel will be too much of a problem.
During the ending scene my girlfriend just sorta freaked out and yelled “WHY IS VOLDEMORT COMING OUT OF HER VAGINA?!” I enjoyed that very much.
Westeros.org linked me to this, Its more book related but not spoilery.
Its basically a collection of maps of Westeros and has maps where you can trace the different characters journeys geographically.
[www.amazon.com]
Oh man, my punctuation was terrible, please dont hurt me Stannis!!!
Someone needs to edit Sussudio into the Joffrey scene with the whores.
I may be getting my Kingsguard mixed up (and/or turning into the Comic Book Guy) but Joffrey orders Meryn to beat Sansa and Tyrion then orders Bronn to kill Meryn if he speaks again but the Kingsguard is actually Ser Borus Blount isn’t it? That was not the same Kingsguard who took on Syrio, he was much meaner looking. This is turning into Ubik.
They may have changed actors. I know Gregor Clegane is a different actor this season who is much less intimidating than the dude The Hound fights at the tourney in season 1.
Or alternatively, decided to use a different Kingsguard. Outside of Jaime and the Hound they’re pretty interchangable at this point.
Meryn is the dude who took on Syrio and appears to be the same actor. Due to budgetary concerns they appear to be using Meryn to represent all nonHound Kingsguard duties this year
Janos Slynt was in charge of the City Guard (Gold Cloaks) and confronted Syrio. Ser Meryn Trant is one of the Kingsguard (White Cloaks). Bronn was given Janos Slynt’s position as commander of the City Guard. The Hound is in the Kingsguard but hates wearing the White Cloaks which is why ripped it off to cover Sansa.
You crazy. It’s Ser Meryn Trant who confronts Syrio [www.youtube.com] but a GIS of said knight does show the knight in the Sansa humiliation scene. Confusion reigns.
Also – Arya’s Prayer
So, you know how these Westerosi love to name their swords; is Joffrey’s much played with crossbow named “The Compensator”?
/think that was a Deadpool gag
Alls I got to say is this:
In my house, we have a saying. A naked man has few secrets, a flayed man has none.
Roose fucking Bolton
How is there no gif for the Joffrey Bitchface when Tyrion offered Sansa his hand?
And it needs to be animated, internet! You can see his face trembling. It’s awesome!
Am I the only one slightly disappointed at no Princess Bitchface ginger titties?
I have no idea how to properly code urls here or I’d link to the tumblr.
I was too, Surly, but Sophie Turner is only 16.
Ginger titties are coming in the finale, big controversy about the bare chested 16yr old Sophie
No kidding, I know she’s 16 in the books but I thought the actress was older then that. Yeah I dont feel pervy at all now… **facepalm**
Sansa is not 16 in the books. I believe she’s 13 or 14 at least in ASOS.
Stannis? Is that you?
Considering they’re waiting for her to “flower” before she can marry Joffery, yeah, she’s definitely younger than 16.
I wanted more of The Mountain, but the Brute Squad (Conan Stevens) who played him last season. He had immense presence, why did they recast him? Although there is some confusion here because I’ve read that the actor had scheduling issues because of his work on The Hobbit but also on his own blog he says it was the producer’s call to go with another actor this season. The new actor has the height for The Mountain but Brienne looks more imposing.
It was great to get a tease of Roose Bolton and thank R’hllor the magnificent Tywin showed up to interrupt the Gendry interrogation. I was a little worried after seeing the teaser for this episode last week.
On rewatch I noticed that The Mountain wears Lannister armour, which is fair enough as he’s a Lannister bannerman, but I’d expect him to be wearing his own and keep his own sigil. He also bows deferentially to Tywin. This did not ring true at all. Remember how he went beserk at the tourney in front King Robert last season. The motherfuckin’ Mountain bows to no man.
I was wondering about that, I really liked Brute Squad stomping off at the tourney, he will be missed since they seemed to have replaced him with a 7 foot tall mannequin with a stupid helmet.
The new guy reminds me of one of the Knights of Ni.
I was waiting for the Mountain to ask Gendry where the shrubbery was.
The Mountain does Tywin’s bidding, but he’s also got a track record of hulking out, so Tywin’s got deniability if he does something crazy.
Dude got a big part in the Hobbit (goblin king, or some such?) and so went to do that instead.
Didn’t one of Lannister’s men say there was more than one direwolf in the attack. Maybe he said an “army and a wolf”, but I swear I heard “an army of wolves”. Though he could have been referring to the Starks. And, I drank too much cough syrup last night.
That was just bullshit propaganda said before the court.
Army of Wolves = awesome metal song.
I can think of no better way to die than to see an army of direwolves charging at me.
“In my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a maiden’s mouth around my cock, at the age of eighty,”
touche’
The Stark men are Wolves, but ya the literal interpretation is def propaganda
They’re painting Rob as a heathen from the north with demon powers like summoning direwolves. 101 in troop morale: dehumanize the enemy.
The wolves are the Starks and any bannermen fighting for them, war-wise.
There’s a metal band called “Wolves in the Throneroom”
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and, of course, that HOLYSH*TWHATISHAPPENING smoke monster birth scene
Ahem, it was a SHADOW monster, not a smoke monster. GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT OR GTFO
When I saw that black smoke coming out of Melisandra’s hoo ha, it reminded me of the time my wife ordered the bean burrito platter at Don Pablo’s
it just reminded me of your wife
Lol @ #7
Where is the Stanos “I’ve made a huge mistake” gif?
Danos…
*Davos
Stamos
Stannis prefers solitude, Renly prefers solid dudes
I don’t know how solid Loras is. He’s been stabbing Renly for years, and Renly ain’t dead yet. Oh, Fartjoke, your gay sex joke was also hilarious.
The behavior last night by Joffrey was enough to get my wife to describe him as a “cunt.” I’ve never heard her use that word before in my life.
Joffrey really doesn’t like women. Then again, after having his manhood (Lion’s Tooth) thrown into the river by Arya and having to endure the humiliation and domination of Cersei, who can blame him?
My hot GOT women power rankings for this episode are as follows:
#5. Talisa, #4. Margaery, #3. Roz, #2. Melisandre, #1. Daenerys.
Bad ass mofo power rankings are:
5. Bronn
4. Renly
3. Davos
2. Tyrion
1. Tywin
I’ve never been so happy to see Tywin appear on screen
This week?
5. Grey Wind
4. The Tickler
3. Bronn
2. Robb
1. Tyrion
The Tickler was cast perfectly, just a creepy piece of shit, the casting for this show is amazing.
Another great casting choise was that Fat Spice guy from Qarth, he was amazing and Xaro Xhoan Daxos as well.
The fat spice really sounded like hew as reading off a cue card when he said “Xaro Xhoan Daxos” though. Then again, that is a RETARDED name to say.
I heard it as “Xaro Xhoan Ducksauce” and started laughing.
Lol @ Fat Spice
Anyone else think Ros was going to jam that staff in her instead of beat her with it? It made me think of Seven with the strap on blade. ewww
it looked like she would at first before the camera panned away, but then you hear that thud and hooker scream.
Yeah, that’s where my brain went immediately. Made me a little nauseous, so when she was just smacking her with it I was thinking, “dude, could have been waaaaaay worse.”
Yeah I thought “please not antlers first!”
I had dropped my pants in anticipation.
What?
It would be pretty cool if Roz beat that chick so hard she’s not cross-eyed anymore
I figured after all the other things that happen on this show vagina mutilation would just be the next natural step
So, what they’re saying is….Stannis is black?!
Also…. Tyrion is easily the funniest. But Bronn and Renly earn more points with every bit of dialogue.
Are you a ham? that was the best Renly line
Renly doesn’t want the ham, but wouldn’t mind if you saved him the bone.
In an alternate reality, Tyrion and Renly wold’ve been the best roommates ever at Western Dorne University
@Stonecutter: that is a brilliant idea and if someone created a tumblr with that theme I would be an enthusiastic follower.
And now I’m thinking of ALL the adult characters living together in a dorm. Stannis as the RA constantly busting Littlefinger, Robert Baratheon and Ned as roommates, etc.
Man, Ned and Stannis would be like the worst people to room with. Lights out by 7:30 and cease all noise by 8:15.
But your grammar would be perfect, Lobster.
Yeah I’d be streaking through the Quad with Robert and Tyrion
Finally an episode this season where I felt that there was no “we know this is bit boring but we’re setting you up for something awesome, I swear”.
Who can’t get over a midget? He’s like three feet tall!
Seriously, fuck that idiot. Dinklage is the greatest thing on TV this year.
I hope his haircut becomes like a Beatles-mania level haircut. The Dinklage Do!
I knew monday morning everyone would be calling it the smoke monster from Lost. It was very cool but they should have made it more like a shadow.
When I read it, I was worried it would end up looking like those things that come to get Willie Lopez toward the end of Ghost. Which, btw, were fucking creepy.
It’s funny that a lot of the criticism about the lack of battles assumes that it’s a budget issue on HBO’s part- but from what I’m remembering from the books (with a few exceptions) the battles aren’t really described in detail either. Usually the point of view switches and then chapters later the battle is recounted in another character’s chapter.
Either writing battles isn’t really Martin’s thing, or more likely to Josh’s point they are secondary to what he’s trying to get across. I don’t think show suffers for it at all, but I do hope they give the battles Martin does go into detail with the attention / budget they deserve.
Apparently the ninth episode — Blackwater — consumed a fifth of the season’s budget (roughly $17 million). So we’ll have to be patient.
oh nice- that’s the one I was thinking of for this season.
Yeah, what Chazz is saying, people should stop bringing that up. You barely get anything with Robb in A Clash of Kings, it’s all recounted afterwards.
There’s like TWO battles that are described while they happen in the first two books. Sure they skip the first one in S1, but knocking Tyrion off by Shagga’s axes was funny. And we know we’re getting the huge battle of this season in episode 9, so yay! Stop bitching, people!
It’s all about playing the game of thrones, battles just happen to be part of the game. There are some sick battles coming up, so the naysayers will get their fill.
There are SOME battles described in the books, but true to the general form of the novel, it’s all tightly centered around one character so you deal with the same confusion that they have to.
There are certain points where it feels very lame and the novel’s structure reveals the recounted battles as very much a plot device being used in lieu of GRRM’s capability to really describe a battle. The times where character sit around recounting the battle in awkward, novel-like descriptions makes you kind of laugh as you read them. Overall though, it makes sense. The restricted scope is part of the story itself – and often characters even remark on the fact that each individual is just a pawn in a much larger game being controlled by an even smaller group of individuals.
I’m very curious how some of the bigger set pieces in the book will get translated to the screen.
Using a rat, a bucket, and a torch so the rat claws and bites his way through someone to torture them makes great economical sense.
Reminded me of one of the torture devices from 1984.
Reminded me of 2Fast 2Furious. I’m going to spend the rest of the day slamming my head in the refrigerator door now.
Yeah, I’d seen that hot-rat-bucket thing in something else. Anyone know?
[www.youtube.com]
I’ve never seen “F2st 2nd F2ruiIIous” so it’s got to be something else.
You are thinking of The Sword of Truth series I would guess.
Well thats book only so maybe not hah
@ Gene Parmesan and MikeBedlam BOBBY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
They did the rat thing in the opening pages of the New52 Suicide Squad series.
They also talk about it on an episode of Duckman
Upon further review, it was 2 Fast 2 Furious. I forgot I’d stumbled across that on cable, saw Bobby Elvis was in it, and then watched until he wasn’t.
I hope this provides closure for everyone.
Nastiest. Queef. EVER!
Also, everytime I see Lord Tywin, I hear Eddie Murphy’s voice in my head saying “You’re Sardo Numspa!”
I think we can all agree that Sansa has become a sympathetic character. While I still think Arya is the more interesting of the two, I have a feeling the Sansa’s journey will end up being the more fascinating, merely since she has so far to come.
Where the hell is Rickon?
The Ice Wall extends all across the north, from one sea to another, but shouldn’t the seas be frozen that far north, the why can’t the wildings/white walkers just walk on the ice to get around it?
Renly has some good quips “It’s good that you switched banners, otherwise the battles would get confusing”
@EarthwormJim The Wall is more than just a big piece of ice. This was implied in season 1 when Tyrion visits.
I’d say more, but don’t want to spoil anything. You can head here: [iceandfire.wikia.com] to read some of Wall’s backstory/spoilers.
I believe in the books it’s hinted that the wall has properties that may be founded in some type of magic. The waters on either side are extremely turbulent- and salt water, so less likely to freeze.
As for the wildlings and walkers they would need to build ships that could survive the dangerous conditions. They lack the tools / know-how for that. Even then, I think the wall has two smaller towers at either end that can defend against ships.
they just look frozen on the intro map. Thanks
Rickon appeared in the “Next Week on…” segment, so hopefully his story will get going on.
Given that north of the Wall it is always winter, isn’t a more problematic fact that there are trees growing there? Seriously, there is never a thaw allowing for seeds to take root, how in the Gods names could they grow into actual trees?
It bears repeating that Peter Dinklage as Tyrion is god damn amazing. The Emmy category for Best Actor (if he bumps himself up next year) will be amazing with Cranston, Hamm, Buscemi, Dinklage, and Hoffman.
They submitted him for supporting actor
Which is bullshit. They are taking the easy route
* opening with a fart joke and a Direwolf kill??? *grabs pipe and Doritos, watches episode twice
* Bronn is the tits. period.
* Melisandre looked super f’n sexy this episode, like top 2 sexy….i love me some red.
Huge ups to Stannis for correcting Davos on less/fewer, btw. He is king of the grammar nazis.
Davos had his knuckles cut off for confusing than and then, fun fact.
seconded
And just forget about the guys in the dungeons back at Storm’s End who got their subject/verb agreement wrong.
“He is the King of the Grammar Nazis”
//Stannis’d
Garden of Bones? More like Garden of Boners. I think Melisandre should have been power ranked #1 this week. Naked, pregnant, and from what I could tell well groomed.
I have a thing for angry Dany. Emilia Clarke plays it so well.
Dany is never a bad choice for #1 in the power rankings.
Yeah but you just can’t come back from a queef of that magnitude. Her shit has to be just ruined down there.
anyone who can hold an erection for more than 10 seconds in that episode deserves a friggin medal. And is probably a sociopath.
**looks around nervously**
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER THREAD
1) Do you think THE Joffrey scene was added because fans need someone to universally hate? It’s only vaguely alluded to in the book, and my guess is the writers want at least one character to be just plain awful. You’re not totally aware of Renly or Stannis’s intentions yet, and ambiguity doesn’t work for everyone on a TV show.
2) Interesting that Arya is Lord Tywin’s cupbearer. No idea where that’s gonna go.
I think they just wanted to show what an irredeemable piece of shit he is. In the books there are plenty of one-off comments about his behavior, as well as all of Tyrion’s internal thoughts to make that clear.
I didn’t think it added much other than to show how spiteful Joffrey is towards his uncle.
Agreed with Arya as Tywin’s cup bearer. Not in the book.
1) i think they should add more disturbing King Joffery Dahmer scenes that aren’t in book, that kid is a unreal actor…i cant remember hating a character so much, but glued to every little facial expression( i bet people spit on him in the street in real life)
2) yeah, that’s a weird addition with Arya/Tywin, i’m thinking because they are also amazing actors, their banter will give off some really good scenes,
*also noticed Jaquen was wearing some hardcore Lannister armour, maybe that’s how Jaquen and Arya will be able to “talk about names” since shes in house.
I think Joffrey should have jacked off to Roz beating the other hooker. That would have made it for me.
Regarding Arya, she’s made a servant in the novels, before reuniting with the Night’s Watch’s prisoners, notably Jaqen. Shunting her to Tywin’s service seems appropriate for a TV series that without some meddling could have a cast numbering in the thousands. I don’t expect the major plot points will be changed, but the scenery can be made more interesting in this change.
1.) Jack Gleeson was born to play an ass-faced cunt of a character. I think the creators are just running with it.
I like the Arya decison a lot. Like @Boston said, it does away with a bunch of less interesting plot threads, and combines them into a SUPER arc.
“Some viewers have been complaining about the lack of battles this season”
There is only one battle that matters this season. I hope no costs are spared.
1. I dont think viewers needed more reason to universally hate Joffrey. Shit, he just became endeared to half the trailer parks and street corners in this country.
2. Arya was Bolton’s cupbearer at Harrenhall, right? Not really that major of a change.
I think they did the Joffrey beat the whores scene because they are trying to show the hate between Joffrey and Tyrion which will lead to next season. Since the whores were Tyrion’s gift.
I’m cool with her being Tywin’s cupbearer because Charles Dance is F-ing perfect playing Tywin. More Tywin is a good thing.
The 1st person Arya gets guy to kill is the fat ass boss she had when she worked in the kitchens. She later becomes cup bearer. I wonder how they incorporate his death in the show. They’d have to since he is 1 out of 3 targets she gets.
I only hope that she still somehow gets to deliver the “weasel soup”, though I imagine that will be cut. Economy of characters and all that.
1. I think it was more something in the books that was alluded to that the writers wanted to delve into- I don’t think casual fans needed anything more to hate Joffrey.
2. I agree with everyone above- if they do it well it could be an excellent way to wrap a longer set of plot threads without losing much of the main story.
Another spoilery type question- Anyone having trouble getting vested or staying interested in the characters who you know are going to die? I don’t regret reading the books but I’m jealous of my friends who are watching the show with fresh eyes.
I also hate viewers crapping on the lack of battles. I guess if they actually read the books they would know that only a battle or two are described in detail. One they will get at the end of this season.
@Chazz, I don’t regret reading the books either but it takes some of the fun out of watching the show. I’ve been watching the this season with my cousin and his wife. They haven’t read the books so it is fun watching their reactions.
i’m still vested in the characters that are going to die but i’m more salty about not getting more in depth with some characters like Davos. He is such a likable and great back story but they just gloss over it. I mean that conversation with Stannis on the boat correcting his english was dumb. Would have been more meaningful if they showed that Stannis trusts Davos even more than Melisandre.
They added that scene on the battlefield to make Rob more likable. So yeah….
And that random nurse was too hot looking to just be a random character right?
@Chazz I was all ready for my fiancee to go “OMG” at what comes after the smoke monster’s birth, but that’ll have to wait until next week. Sigh.
@hee moy
Pretty sure she’s going to be taking the place of Jeyne
@ hee moy I think that random girl on the battlefield named Talisa is actually Jeyne Westerling. Hence why he seemed infatuated with her and why she wouldn’t give her family name. They are going to write in the love story George Martin skipped over in the books. Showing his dishonoring the Freys for love.
Honestly, my biggest beef with the book/show adaptation last night was that Renly wasn’t eating the peach during the meeting with Stannis. That was such a source of anger for Stannis in the book, and it would have nailed home the point of how smug Renly is toward his older dick of a brother.
As a book reader I was totally waiting for that scene with Joffrey beating Sansa and Tyrion busting in. The lines Martin wrote were fantastic and glad they kept them in.
“You don’t want to get blood all over those pretty white cloaks, now do you?”
“Bronn, if Ser Meryn opens his mouth again, kill him. Now that is a threat. See the difference?”
@Chazz: If anything, I think I follow those who won’t be with us for too long more closely seeing how their actions lead to their demise.
I love some Dinklage, but Jack Gleason is owning this season.
I’m really gonna miss the guy who buys it next week. He’s been a pleasant surprise this season.
@clmetsfan
Yeah, but the “Is he a ham?” line was a great addition
I thought the episode was great except for the ending. I thought they should have ended with the shadow visiting Renly’s tent. The scene with Joffrey and the whores was sick but brilliant. This season he and Tyrion will really come to hate each other. It also seems as thought they’re speeding along the Red Wedding. Bronn is becoming one of my favorite characters.
I’m liking most changes this season, I just think the scene between Stannis and Davos that we finally got should have arrived a bit earlier, and not sure that it was clear enough for non book readers. I’ve seen a few people confused on tumblr as to why Stannis cut Davos’ fingers. Stannis being a grammar nazi was SO Stannis, perfect! I had trouble getting on board with Dillane’s Stannis, but he’s growing on me. Mel and Davos are perfection.
I’m always for more Littlefinger but the scene with Margaery, was well written and acted, seemed a little useless, we already know LF knows about Renly.
The scene with Cat was great, I’m maybe alone here, but I felt for BOTH Cat and LF in this scene. Cat for obvious reasons, but also for LF, this is the only ways he knows to be, but that doesn’t make his feelings for Cat any less true, and it must have been quite heartbreaking for him to see this chance dismissed so quickly by Cat, she’s his only weakness, and I guess he gets closure with her in this scene. Which makes sense that he’ll switch his interest to Sansa later on.
As for Arya and Tywin, I’m not against it, but I don’t really get it.
We get introduced to Roose Bolton in the aftermath of the battle scene, and Arya’s supposed to be his cup bearer. His being in Harrenhal and interacting with Arya is his main showcasing before a lot later on. So why introduce him now if they’re not going to use him in Arya’s plot?
Glad to see that the Tickler mentioned the Brotherhood in his interrogations, I was fearing a little bit we might not see them next season. But why not say Beric Dondarrion too? Sure we only saw him for 10 seconds in S1 and his name was only said once, but at this point in the book we don’t know a lot about him. I think it would have been nice to remind the non-book reading viewers about him.
All in all a GREAT episode, probably one of the best they’ve ever done.
My Westeros women power rankings :
#5. Dany, #4. Sansa, #3. Talisa, #2. Mel, #1. Margaery.
tl;dr I know…
I’m fucking sick of Roz and her fat ass. She seriously needs to be killed off or sumthin. I am so fickle.
All these posts and not one person has called Littlefinger a piece of shit? I fucking HATE that man.
Stannis can be a little tough to understand, and I had trouble making out his finger-cutting speech. They probably could have introduced that better. I wonder how long into next week’s episode it’ll take for Baby Demon to y’know…?
@Josh- with a cliff hanger like that, I’m sure they’ll open with that scene next week. Looking forward to it. Its sucks that we will lose a king, who has been portrayed phenomenally this season, but I’m stoked for the Brienne/Cat story to get underway.
@Jean-Ralphio I think Bolton will still be used in Arya’s plot, that way they can show him beginning to sway between the sides when he shows up in Harrenhal. He looks to the more powerful Red’s just in time after the Greyjoy invasion and seeing Robb fall for what-ever-they-call-her etc..
It makes sense for Joffrey not to think of the scene as sexual, hence the not jacking off etc, cause at the end of the day he is just a stupid power hungry kid
Also, they probably should have ended with the shadow outside of the tent as opposed to being born but still a sick ending.
I also have been mispronouncing Qarth…. in my head.
@Jean-Ralphio agree about Dondarrion, but are you not seriously pissed, as I am, that we’ve had no introduction to Thoros!? he should have been introduced in season one at the tournament! i know he’s no more than a minor character, but what a cool character! not to mention his involvement with the Brotherhood later on. weak sauce writers! weak sauce.
Agreed on Thoros. He’s the reason the Brotherhood succeeds, pretty much.. with his… talents.
1) @JoshK That scene wasn’t added “because fans need someone to universally hate”. Joffrey is already – in the books and the show – the most hateable character in the series. Compare him to anyone else, ie Cersei who’s a cunt but a tragic one, love-lorn, and Joffrey has no redeeming qualities. They didn’t need to add that sadistic scene to prove his unworth any more.
2) Arya being Tywin’s cupbearer was awesome. Tywin might be my favorite character in the series, even if it does turn out that he doesn’t shit gold (RIP). Making Roose Bolton more important at this point could have been very character-cluster-fuckery.
@thatoneguy Yeah, I was pretty pissed that they didn’t introduce Thoros at the tourney last season! But I guess they didn’t want to go all flaming swords on our ass in the first few episode, since the “magic” only comes very progressively in the universe, as Winter is Coming (and as Mel is coming, ifyouknowhatimean). Now we can only hope we get the main Brotherhood characters next season, I expect Thoros, Beric, Tom & Lem, maybe Harwin, Anguy, and the Dayne kid.
@KingsmootKeggers : Regarding Arya/Tywin/Roose, I can understand what you mean about “character-cluster-fuckery” if Arya was Roose’s cupbearer instead of Twyin’s, but then, why the fuck would you introduce Roose Bolton in the last episode if we’re not going to see him more? Maybe @Karsith is right and he’s going to flip his cloack earlier? But then wouldn’t that fuck with Jaime and Brienne storyline, and the Brave Companions (and I really hope we get at least a Vargo and Qyburn next season) ?
We’ll see how it plays out, and I think Arya/Twyin scenes can be great. I just hope we still have a good deal of Bolton and Brave Companions later on.
-Adding three years to all the kids’ ages (that is, three more years since Robert’s rebellion) is most notable in Joffrey and Sansa. In the book he’s sort of just a spoiled brat; in the show he’s a full-on psychopath. It’s interesting, but it is hard for me to watch.
-My husband complained about the lack of Renly’s peach as well. Of course he turns to me every two minutes and says “that wasn’t in the book, was it??” so he is sort of driving me crazy.
-I think it’s really really interesting that Littlefinger brings Ned’s bones back to Cat tells me that they are going to be Important. I mean, they have a lot they have to leave out, but they care about that? It must mean something. He also refers to the crypts of Winterfell, which I believe will also be Important in the final battle. (Of course I had these thoughts after reading the books, so I’m looking for things to justify my opinions, but still.) I think Ned and the other Kings of the North are going to rise from the crypts to join the final battle betwixt fire and ice.
Not directly related to this episode, but someone asked where Rickon was above.
I like to pretend that Rickon is the real perpetrator of all of the rape/murder/violence attributed to the Mountain/Hound/Brotherhood/Ramsey/etc. in the books that is not directly described on the page. He’ll finally get a POV chapter and it’ll be 5 year old him reminiscing fondly about all of the people he’s killed and maimed and talking about his thirst for blood.
@One More Round That makes sense about the nurse character being Jeyne. Robb can’t just fall in love with some random girl, it has to be Jeyne Westerling, otherwise the Red Wedding makes no sense.