
I don’t know how many of you are familiar with Ken Levine. The veteran TV guy has kind of done everything, from taking over as showrunner (“M*A*S*H*), to producing, writing and consulting on everything from “Cheers” to “The Simpsons” to “Wings” to screenwriting (Tom Hanks’ awesome Volunteers), and to creating a show (“Almost Perfect.”) The guy has even done play-by-play commentary for Major League Baseball for a few years. He’s been around. He knows the business. He’s highly respected, and he’s old enough now that he can say what he wants and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what anyone thinks. Now, he doesn’t know Dan Harmon personally, but he hears things, knows people, and has a fairly great understanding of the business, so his take on the situation certainly carries some weight.
His take? 1) The industry is heartless and brutal, and 2) Dan Harmon pretty much shot himself in the foot. He wrote at length about it on his blog, but here are some choice excerpts:
On the history of sacking showrunners:
Networks have been firing showrunners for years. You just never heard about it. Before social networks and the internet, showrunners were essentially invisible. Just names in the credits. Now showrunners have become quasi-celebrities themselves, which I think is a good thing. Only 70% of the viewers think Joel McHale makes up those funny things he says instead of 90%. But the point is, this isn’t precedent setting.
It’s always easier to fire writers than actors. People do notice when their favorite star has been replaced by Ashton Kutcher. (Which tells you how off-the-charts psycho Charlie Sheen had to be to get canned from TWO AND A HALF MEN.)
Shows tend to survive without the original creative force. Even WEST WING when Aaron Sorkin was sacked. Even MASH when Larry Gelbart quit. MASH is a perfect example. If they could replace the genius of Larry Gelbart with a couple of knuckleheads like me and my partner and the show still survived, then you know it’s pretty bulletproof.
On how bad Harmon had to screw up to get fired:
For a network to fire a showrunner, his behavior had to be pretty unruly. The network weighs the value of his contribution with the nightmare of dealing with him and must decide if he’s worth it. Dan Harmon apparently wasn’t worth it.
And let’s be real. NBC has no faith in COMMUNITY. They scheduled it in a death slot of Friday night. They’re only looking to appease viewers and show that they’re cool, and make more episodes to fill out a possible syndication deal (i.e. more money for them). So if the creative quality of the show suffers for these last thirteen episodes, no one in Burbank gives a rat’s ass.
On Harmon shooting himself in the foot.
From what I’ve heard second-hand, Dan Harmon was very erratic. There are horror stories of 24-hour writing sessions. A number of writers have supposedly run screaming from the show. So if these stories are true (and I have no proof that they are), it’s not just NBC that has problems dealing with him.
The Chevy Chase incident. Forget who said what to whom and who was an asshole and who was a bigger asshole – the fracas never should have gone public. And it was Harmon who spilled the beans by airing his dirty laundry during a stand-up routine. Networks frown on this.
On Harmon’s future prospects:
And finally, I worry that Dan going public with this will ultimately hurt him. Other networks might put him in the “too much trouble” bin. He’s a talented guy but he’s yet to create FRIENDS. And I wonder, is this worth it? Besides getting all this stuff off his chest, what is the upside of going worldwide with this feud? Yes, your fanboys rally around you and you’re a media martyr, but they’re not the people who can say “yes” to your next project. They can’t make the decisions that will shape your career.
I do think most of that tracks, and as much as most of us hate NBC’s decision, Levine is probably right that Harmon had to be such a huge pain in the ass that they couldn’t hold on to him for 13 more episodes on a Friday night. If you follow him on Twitter, you know how erratic, moody, and depressive he can be. Dan Harmon is a genius, but he’s also kind of a dick.
I simply think that, if Harmon really was that much trouble, and this was all a ploy to keep the “Community” fanboys happy, then they should’ve just cancelled the show. They’re not pleasing the fanboys by bringing back the show without Dan Harmon, they’re just alienating us more. They’re keeping our ire alive longer, and they’re making a martyr of Dan Harmon. Next December when the show ends, they’re going to have to go through this process all over again. NBC will never hear the end of this UNLESS they do to “Community” what they did to “Chuck,” which is to say: Drag it out so long that even the hardcore fans lose interest in the show.



asshole got fired for being an asshole to another asshole. perhaps he should have tried being a dick then he could have just fucked the asshole instead.
/Team America, fuck yeah!
He brings up some interesting points. I’m finding it harder and harder to be sympathetic towards Harmon. The chevy chase thing still bothers me for some reason.
I always took issue with him trying to humiliate the guy in front of his family. There are ways of handling issues with employees or, colleagues and blasting them in public like that is not one of them.
Agreed- no question Chase is a first class asshole but I’ve had just a bad vibe about Harmon ever since that happened. Looking back at the past two seasons I can’t help but think Harmon decided he didn’t like Chase, and took it out on the Pierce character as a way to humiliate him.
Harmon is hard to empathize with, regardless of his talent.
There’s only one solution to this mess: angry mob.
Angry mob? Angry mob? Angry mob?
You bring the chloroform.
This is off topic, but Aziz Ansari kinda sucks at being a stand up comedian.
trolololo
Naw, I am watching his latest special and it sucks..sorry I went of topic..yeah Dan Harmon not running Community anymore damn…that’s terrible..that wrong should be righted…
He and Mr. Glover are our country’s most overrated comedians.
Haven’t seen Aziz but Glover is still pretty new to the stand-game, he was a great writer on 30 Rock (as much as you can hear/tell from media) and the only stand-up from him I saw on Comedy Central lacked a lot but it also showed some decent promise.
Maybe I just like him on Community too much, Idk.
I think it’s this new trend where people in comedy who either act or write then go into stand up as this progression of comedy (or way to pay bills). It’s not that they’re not funny, just stand up isn’t the right avenue for them. I saw Joel McHale a few years ago and laughed a lot, but I remember it being just a lot of E! jokes.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. I’ve seen him do standup live twice and he was really funny both times. Can’t recall if the latest special was the last tour I saw though.
The latest special wasn’t that amusing because I had heard most of those stories on his blog/other appearances. Plus it was taped over a year ago. That might have been the problem.
Everything I’ve heard from people who have worked for brilliant showrunners/movie directors indicates that they make everyone else’s lives a living hell. One of the funniest anecdotes I’ve read is one of the actors in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, who was a Vietnam veteran, said shooting that movie was the worst experience of his life and that if he saw Tobe Hooper again he’d murder him on the spot
I don’t know how many of you are familiar with Ken Levine.
The man co-wrote the “Dancing Homer” episode of The Simpsons and cast himself as the voice of the Springfield Isotopes. He’s one of my heroes.
He also happens to be 100% right about this. NBC is doing the bare minimum to fulfill a potential syndication deal, and they couldn’t care less if Season 4 of Community makes Season 8 of Scrubs look like Season 3 of The Simpsons.
You know, they said the same thing about Backdoor Sluts 9, Crotch Capers 3, and Naughty Nurses 2, but I ended up fast-forwarding through all three of them.
This is the second time I’ve read an article like this (the first one was on the AV Club), and they mentioned the same point as above: Showrunners get fired all the time, you just never noticed. They’re example was Cheers, which got a new showrunner in the 3rd season, and obviously the show enjoyed many good years long after that. Add to that the fact that the new guys come from a good show, and I have faith that Community will be ok. Dan Harmon clearly needs a network/studio with a lot of patience to work with him, and it sounds like he’s burning a lot of bridges. He’s the one I’d be worried about.
I’ll be damned if this doesn’t go DIRECTLY to what Neil Gaiman said in that commencement that appeared online yesterday:
You need 2 out of 3 things: To be liked, To Deliver your work on time, and to deliver good work. To succeed you need to deliver two out of those three.
It sounds like Harmon delivered good work, but wasn’t liked and 24hr writing sessions would imply he wasn’t timely.
Well according to Neil Gaiman, I’m all sorts of fucked.
This shouldn’t be a surprise. As the Wired profile showed us, Harmon IS Abed. He’s socially disconnected and probably has Asperger’s. Not a surprise that he doesn’t get along with people personally or that he expresses himself in ways that aren’t kosher.
If Harmon was really that difficult for everyone to work with, would so many people have been quick to lavish praise on him after it was revealed he was fired? My guess is that he’s one of those people who is fantastic to work with if you’re on each other’s good sides, and horrific if you’re not.
I hope he can come up with another great idea and get a show on FX. It’s kind of amazing that he was able to even get a show on NBC in the first place.
He’s a talented asshole. He does good work, but it seems less and less people are enjoying his creative process.
Plus, many of the people rallying to Harmon’s cause right now either don’t know him personally (fans) or have benefitted personally from working with him (the cast).
Ever since I read the exhausting episode-by-episode breakdown he did for AV Club, I’ve thought he was unstable.
“My guess is that he’s one of those people who is fantastic to work with if you’re on each other’s good sides, and horrific if you’re not.”
Like my 9th grade geometry teacher.
Oh and he was horrific.
/shudders while having flashbacks
While I agree with most of what Levine said, I’m not sure a network/studio is that opposed to firing the showrunner of a show that they don’t see as having a huge potential for profit.
I don’t think they care that much about the show and I think they’re playing creative shuffle as an experiment to see if they can get what they want ($$$) out of it. Getting rid of the person who had creative control and gave them pushback is a logical way to make that easier. I can’t think they labored much over that decision.
I loved Chuck. I was totally invested in that show. I even bought the first season on DVD which is extremely rare. But when it was first going to get cancelled in Season 3 after 13 episodes, they made a type of series finale ended that worked….then they got a back 9. So the writers had to figure out how to keep it going, and it just got worse and worse. But, I didn’t mind looking at the blonde every week.
I think Dan Harmon’s work was genius and deserved of the rabid following which ensued. But his behavior has been ridiculous, culminating with the Chevy Chase incident. While next season will probably fail to live up to those beautiful moments delivered by “Modern Warfare” “Advanced Dungeous and Dragons” or “Remedial Chaos Theory” Moses Port and David Guarascio contributed some excellent work to the show “Happy Endings”. Many great shows have replaced showrunners. It feels like the Community fanbase (of which I am a part of) just enjoys having something to gripe about.
“He’s a talented guy but he’s yet to create FRIENDS.”
Because this is the bland bullshit that everyone should aspire to. No one should buck the trend, no one should be subversive. Lets just all worship the fucking rich idiots that rule everything.
That’s clearly meant as “He’s a talented guy but he’s yet to create a culturally relevant and significant show that is embraced by the country at large such to the point that it becomes a phenomenon”.
But way to 99% it. Nice job.
I can’t stand the word “fanboy.”
If him being a dick to the studio is what it took to get his vision to air uncompromised than I am glad for his dickishness. He went to the wall time and again for his work, I think that’s admirable.
Dan Harmon is a fat, drunken shithead. Nobody tries to embarrass Ty Webb, Fletch, Clark Griswold or Dusty Bottoms. Good riddance and drink in moderation ya cunt.