NOTE: I’ll open a SPOILER thread at the bottom of this post’s comments section. Please contain all “upcoming on GoT” talk to there. If you mention something that hasn’t happened on the show yet outside of said thread, you’ll be banned. The only way to be unbanned: giving me all your dragons. No dragons, no dice.
One of the things we discussed last week was how Theon’s completely over his head. The little prick (who OF COURSE punches people in the balls) tried to come off as a big man in front of the proud, Stark-loving residents of Winterfell. But by the end of “The Old Gods and the New,” he let a wilding, mentally handicapped giant, cripple, and four-year-old child (and two direwolves!) escape his grasp. Last night’s episode, “A Man Without Honor,” begins and ends with that story as well, and Theon’s in no better shape. Even he seems puzzled by his own decision to tar Bran and Rickon (assuming those bodies were actually Bran and Rickon’s...) – his jerk face at episode’s end could have been subtitled with, “I’ve made a huge mistake.”
None of the show’s other characters are doing particularly well, either. Jaime (the man without honor) is still chained to a pole covered with his own sh*t, Robb’s falling in love with a girl he can never have, Jon’s penis is in direct opposition to his brain (and that’s before he’s surrounded by the Free Folk), Dany’s looking for dragons and getting no help from either Ducksauce or Pyat (can’t trust a warlock), Arya’s disguise is slowly wearing off to Tywin, and Sansa got her first period, meaning she’s ready to make babies, meaning she’s ready to have Joffrey inside of her, meaning EWWWW. Oh, and Irri, Alton, and 11 of the 13 are dead.
No one’s winning the “Game of Thrones” right now, except for maybe Stannis and his troops, matching ever closer to Lannister territory...
- The first notes I wrote down about the episode were, “Hodor, dicks, not being used,” which is coincidentally the name of my “Game of Thrones” spec script.
- I really want mutton.
- Tywin is the ultimate “character you should hate because they’re evil, but you like them despite yourself because they’re so damn charming, smart, and awesome.” Tyrion kind of fits that description, too. Jaime, as well.
- Speaking of: I was embarrassingly happy to see Jaime again. Near the end of the episode, when Cat enters his cage, I said out loud, “This scene’s going to be awesome.” I was watching it by myself.
- Loved how you could see Lady Brienne (but don’t call her that) watching Cat watching Jaime.
- “Most girls are idiots.” That scene was so good. Dude totally knows, too.
- Hey ladies, would you claw someone’s eyes out to see Jon Snow naked?
- Saying a person’s full name at the end of the sentence makes everything sound so important, Jon Snow.
- There was a lot of mom talk in this episode, especially in King’s Landing – did anyone else have to discuss getting their period with their tyrannical future mother-in-law, or just me?
- To put it bluntly, Robb and Talisa should just f*ck already.
- Can Dany get to the House of the Dying ASAP, please?
- Attractive Women of “Game of Thrones” Power Rankings: #5. Cersei, #4. Daenerys, #3. Shae, #2. Ygritte, #1. Talisa (If anyone says Sansa, you’re banned.)
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I would claw my eyes out to see the chick Jon Snow is with naked… which might be on the menu for Snow. and all he got was a little spooning and some dirty talk
I wonder who would win in a fight, crazy warlock or crazy witch???
Well so far the warlock has a deeper body count by at least 9
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“You know nothing, John Cena.”
Also, the Hound continued to rule last night.
Jamie must have taken one-liner lessons from Sterling Archer. “Is that a woman?” Also, he may be a psychopath, but there is a certain refreshing honesty in how he exploits the hypocrisy of others.
Nerds, what was the name of the poor little squire who Jamie merc’d?
i believe it is Rock Face
Alton Lannister.
Fankew JJ
Does anyone else think Rickon is potentially terrifying? He’s basically growing up without parents, and among the very few times he’s been seen or mentioned he’s viciously breaking walnuts, screaming at everyone or talking about Shaggydog (who also looks terrifying) attacking people or things. That type of childhood does not turn someone into a Ned Stark-type adult.
yeah. hes got Jeffery Dahmer written alll over him
Not a single tit. All episode. Ne boobies pas.
Slightly out of place since I’m going to mention the book, but all the women in Qarth wear their left breast exposed. Don’t remember why, but sorely disappointing to not have a city of half exposed boobs.
Not true. There were boobs in the fight scene inside the walls of kings landing.
this season is finally picking up now. The last episode and this were both fantastic. Now i can’t wait for the next one.
“If anyone says Sansa, you’re banned”
Ayra then?
Classic Douche.
Not to harp on this too much, but is it wrong to say a teenager is attractive? Doesn’t mean you wanna make the sex; prettiness can stand discrete from sexuality. Though I guess the power rankings may be specifically about sexual appeal rather than aesthetics (that’d explain how weird-face Shae keeps making the list).
Shae is the Sarah Jessica Parker of GoT.
The Kingslayer absolutely ownd this episode, he is definitely his fathers son. His silver tounge, clever sense of humor and psychopath mentality saved this ep. from being a complete fail.
The episodes high points were all about one on one conversations, Arya/Tywin Cersei/Tyrion Jon/Yigette and Jaime/Cat Jaime/Alton.
Only 3 episodes left is highly depressing , i hope this ep was the last of to much talky and the rest of the season will end in battles, boobs, dragons, fire, wildling savages, Hound killings, Bronn swag, Jaqen and Arya, Robb getting ass, Theon getting his, more Stannis and Davos, Tyrion being a general,Direwolf kills and Hodor……..thats not asking to much, right?
FUCK YOU FOR MAKING ME REALIZE THERE ARE ONLY 3 EPISODES LEFT THIS SEASON!!
Aaaand fuck you for being a idiot.
The last paragraph of this post made me want to kill a kitten.
I’ve read that we’ll be getting some serious action the week after next.
I’ll miss you most of all, Spice Dude.
Maester Luwin deserves better than slide 11
Was I the only nerd that clapped when Ygritte finally said “You know nothing Jon Snow!”
And also, was I the only one waiting for the new Mountain to ask Tywin if he had a shrubbery?
I did, too. It’s amazing I’m not a virgin sometimes.
I thought Tonks took your virginity last ep when she finally disrobed. As soon as that happened I immediately thought “oh shit, there goes the front of JoshK’s pants”.
He does look goofey compared to Conan Stevens.
“They’re calling it the War of 5 Kings”, Tywin said.
Which 5 are they referring to?
Joffrey, Rob, Stannis, (what’s his name) Greyjoy, and… Renly? I wouldn’t count a dead man whose troops have moved on, but they might. It can’t by Dany (who is a non-player at the moment) or the king of the wildlings (same reason).
It was Renly. War got named before they evil shadow baby struck
Thanks. The fact that they didn’t use the name until last night threw me off.
Its a shame calling it “The War for Cersei’s Cunt” never got any traction
Oh; I thought the fifth was Mance Rayder, not Balon Greyjoy. I guess the latter makes more sense. Although the Greyjoys hadn’t attacks the North before Renly died, so it seems like, if we’re not counting Mance yet, then it should’ve been the War of Four Kings, and Balon would just replace Renly as the fourth.
they can’t go re-naming the war every time a king gets offed. It would get horribly confusing.
Can someone please have a gif of Ygritte asking Jon Snow if they have sheep? That part made me LOL.
And notice how Jon said nothing. Their scene together was delicious. It was like nibbling on a fresh cupcake and when Ygritte said her famous line I cheered out loud my wife had to punch me to shut me up.
It takes her about 0.5 seconds too long to say “Jon Snow” though. Jon Snow. Jon Snow. Not “Gionnn Suhno”.
Dany was pretty awesome for a while, but now she’s degenerated into this weak, whiny thing. Yes, for the love of god (the old and the new), PLEASE get the damn dragons back and further your plot!
Same with anyone wandering around in the snow. I’m looking your way, half-stark.
The ending shot had me at 50/50 on whether it was really them or not dangling and burnt. PRO: Why would they do it off-screen? The show is typically pretty unrelenting. CON: Maybe Theon is keeping them prisoner and this is for show! –Oh, wait–that look on his face says otherwise. It says “I can’t believe I did that”.
I’ve said from the beginning that I suspect Tywin knows its Arya, but I can’t think of a reason why he’d not just out her if that was the case.
Because as far as he knows both the Stark girls are in King’s Landing and he has no reason to believe that Ned’s youngest daughter can escape all the way to Harrenhall. He probably assumes she’s the daughter of some little lord someplace.
Because he’s one diabolical muthafucka. I hate how much I love the Lannisters.
If this was Walking Dead, the entire first half of the season would have been nothing but the Dany plot
I’m really looking forward to some of the characters we are supposed to like coming together and battling it out. Dany v. Starks v. Tyrion, I don’t know what to root for when that happens.
Agree with you on Tywinn, but not sure the description fits for Tyrion. I really don’t think of him as “evil” or even “bad,” rather he seems to be one of the few people who is steadfast to his commitments. Above all, Tyrion loves his family and wants to protect them. Secondly, he appears to dedicated to having Joffrey, and if that’s not possible someone else, rule justly and as a decent king. Tyrion takes the world as he finds it and tries to work within that framework to bring stability and peace, so that he can go back to drinkin’ and whorin’.
I agree about Tyrion. He is a good man, and not even, “deep down” right up on the surface. He is smart and witty, and he has picked a side, but he isn’t evil or cruel or anything the other Lannisters tend to be. He is one of the people the showrunners (and author, I suppose) want us to root for.
I disagree about “stability and peace”. He’s about stability and peace for the Lannisters, period.
True. But as they, the Lannisters now rule the kingdoms, stability and peace for the people mean stability and peace for the Lannisters.
I came in here to say this. He’s a decent man. He is a Lannister and is loyal to his family, but he’s never cruel and looks to protect those who can’t protect themselves (Sansa).
Tywin isn’t exactly “evil” too. He is someone who has done evil things in the past, but more than anything Tywin is just pragmatic.
He’s evil in the sense that he wants to overthrow the Starks, who are our protagonists. I don’t think he’s ruthless or spiteful, but I do think if given the chance, he’d kill a direwolf. That’s not cool.
Tyrion is, at worst, an accessory to evil. I don’t really even think that he wants the Starks overthrown; he wants the war to end without his family being defeated, which forces him to be grudgingly anti-Stark. But I think he ultimately wishes the Starks well, in that he doesn’t wish them any specific harm.
GIF suggestion: The look Roose Bolton gives Robb as he leaves him with Lady N’Dubs.
I feel like Theon and Joffrey could be BFFs.
I know that a) he wasn’t in the episode last night and b) he hasn’t been in the cage for a while, but when my brain made this loose connection, I thought it funny enough to make this thing.
+1
that is fantastic.
Very nice
I’m just disappointed it took me until like last Thursday to work that out in my head. But at least we know what “H’ghar” translates into.
the continued quasi-obsessive attention to proper grammar is my favorite part
That would be tactics, but yes, he’s excellent at strategy.
I did much giggling when Tyrion said this.
That line pleased me way too much.
That one and the whole M’lord/My lord exchange with Arya and Tywin. Stannis would approve.
Properly grammar.
My favorite part of this episode was the surprisingly blunt and almost touching converstion between Cercei and Tyrion re: how truly twisted Jeoffrey is … and then seeing the “Next Week On Game of Thrones” part where it’s clear that Cercei has done something awful …
The only downside of watching it on Xfinity’s website is they don’t have the preview for next week.
That was a good scene, but I hated it for the fact that it made Cersei look sympathetic. My level of hate towards her can’t be swayed by a little bit of tears.
hee moy,
But that speaks to the talent of the writing and the fact that the characters are fully-formed, not simply archetypes that always play the same role. In Season 1, when Cersei was speaking to Catelyn about the comatose Bran, Cersei let it slip that, at one time, she truly loved Robert, and the death of their son was the end of that. Cersei isn’t pure evil and crazy, though that forms a large part of her, she is a complete person.
Like Tywinn, he’s obviously a “bad guy” in the sense of protagonist-antagonist story-telling, but he is a complex character who has traits that make him attractive, even if you’re rooting for his death.
yeah, I think it takes a talented writer to make you start to feel sympathetic for the bad guy, right before they do something fucked up and make you hate yourself for almost liking them
Cersei’s problem is that she wishes she had a cock. And tries too hard to act like it.
Yeah, I realize that the writers of the show have done a great job fleshing out many of the characters. Part of my distaste for Cersei comes from my knowledge reading the books though. I have no problem with the scene itself, but I can’t find it in myself to feel sorry for her (like I can for Jaime ) like the scene had wanted.
That’s why I haven’t read the books. I want the suspense of knowing whether or not that’s Rickon and Bran. I want to get pulled in by the characters as they’re played. After the season, I’ll go back and read so I can grasp some of the subtleties, and learn some of the people’s names rather than calling them “red lady,” “Hot battlefield chick,” and “hot handmaiden girl.” These past few episodes, though, have been VERY difficult to keep from looking ahead.
Ugh, my little bro does this awful thing where if I leave one of the books out he will grab it and just read one random page to see how many spoilers he can get from it. And every time I fall for it and go WHATtheFUCKRUDOING!?
The assassins that took out the 12 of The Thirteen; were they suppossed to be Sorrowful Men? I didn’t hear no motherfuckin’ apologizing.
Is anyone acountable for their actions in this world?
“So Xaro Xhoan Daxos, how did you become King of Qarth?”
“I murdered everyone else.”
“Your Majesty.”
no, they were all the Warlock, you can see they all have the same face, I bet sorrowfull men make an appearance in episode 10
Good spot. I didn’t notice that first time.
you’d think having a Warlock on the council would lead to security measures, but alas. Good to see that fatty finally die though.
No one really took his wizardly very seriously. Most of the “learned” world regards magic the same way Maester Luwin does.
*wizardry
ALL HAIL KING DUCKSAUCE!!!
“If anyone says Sansa, you’re banned.”
Now now. The list specifically says attractive and not “hot” or “sexy.” We are all mature enough adults here to appreciate what a lovely young woman Sophie Turner is blossoming into without muking it up with inopropiat… OH FUCK ITS THE COPS WHERE THE HELL IS MY BROADSWORD!!!!
If anyone knocks on your door today… its prolly Chris Hansen looking for work.
This made me think of this scene from Human Giant. Just replace H. Jon Benjamin with Jamaal and Danish butter cookies with lemoncakes.
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Sad to see the 13 get killed off. I had almost worked out who everyone was.
1. Spice Guy
2. DuckSauce
3. Creeps McGee the Warlock
4. Danny Ocean
5. Red Mantle
6. Dragoon
7. Titus Pullo (THIRTEEN!)
okay, so maybe i barely had half the people worked out. still, sucks they’re gone now.
I would very much like to see Titus Pullo and Khal Drogo fight in some sort of HBO All Star special.
Pullo, Vorenus, and maybe Marc Antony versus Drogo, Bronn, and Brienne.
Selmy and Jaime seem to be too good, and I think everyone involved would fight as dirty as possible (maybe not Vorenus)
SOUSAPHONE!
I think what we’re all saying is CAST RAY STEVENSON FOR SEASON 3 PLZ.
@Lobster, You can either side. I’ll take, Omar, Brother Mouzone and whatever 19 year old Omar’s tagging that week.
@Stonecutter – if guns are involved, then I’ll go with Seth Bullock, Bill Hickok, and Dan Dority (If it were strictly knives and fisticuffs, I might sub in Al).
#11 is some pretty big nightmare fuel.
I haven’t read the books, because I’m lazy, but can someone please promise me that Danerys’ story picks up soon? Because as of right now her scenes consist of her talking about dragsns and telling people how much she loves her dragons.
It should start getting alot better soon dude. It dragged in book 2 as well
She has a total of 5 chapters this entire book, and though even those chapters seem to drag, there is much left out/ changed for the show. I can see why they did it (story progression) but I at least feel we’ll get much the same outcome as the book, just a different way to get there.
No way that’s the two Stark kids. They haven’t done enough, if anything, with Bran’s whole dreams/turning into a wolf stuff. The writers are better storytellers than that, I’d say.
Without a doubt. I didn’t even think this was supposed to be in question. I thought it was more of plot device to show how stupid Theon is.
They even go so far to say, “HEY LOOK IT’S THAT FARM WE SENT THOSE TWO ORPHANS TO.”
No one misses the orphans.
Those aren’t the Stark kids for sure, but that also isn’t tar on those bodies. That’s roasted orphan.
Mmmm, roasted orphan. Goes great with a vintage Dornish wine.
It was a nice event roast job. Definitely took their time with it. A labor of love if you will.
That music at the end of the episode is spooky as shit
Surprised at all the Jaime-hating. He’s one of the best characters/actors in the series.
*makes sure he’s alone*
and handsome!
When he was detailing out how he fucked his sister but was still a better man than Ned for not being unfaithful I lost my shit.
Power moves.
I loved loved loved that moment in the books and the show totally did it justice. Jaime will eventually be king of swag.
And now, scenes from my living room:
Rob: “Put him in with the kingslayer.”
Me: “NO! You Dumb@$$!!! That’s how they always escape!”
No Jaime hating from me. He’s a favorite.
The bodies weren’t charred. They were tarred. It was common for the time to publicly display the dead, and the tar slows down rotting.
My bad. Will change.
I thought it was charred too. I figured they’d burned the haystacks and collected what was left over.
oh wait. now that i think about it. they were burned. its spoiler-y to elaborate. Heads were usually tarred before spiked, but the stark boys were burned. my bad, carry on.
No, those bodies were charred. One of them had half an arm burnt off.
Is it possible they were charred, then tarred?
Charred and tarred sounds like an option for hash browns at a particularly bad Waffle House.
/Scattered, covered, and smothered, please.
Roasted, toasted and burnt to a crisp
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“You’ll only have to do one thing. You’ll have to die.” Or, y’know, play dead. You could probably do that too. Fuck me, Kingslayer. Great plan.
No love for Esme Bianco? Bit of a butterface, perhaps, but the body, guh-DAMN.
BOOO! Ros Lover!
I have much love for Esme, most of it just got all over the keyboard…
pretty sure he’s actually talking about Tyrion’s ho played by the Turkish-German pornstar cause Ros is all around hot and wasn’t even in this last episode.
Butterface? Esme Bianco? I don’t see it. She’s super-pretty. But she wasn’t in this episode.
That is to say, she didn’t appear in this episode.
Pretty sure that wasn’t Bran and Rickon. Theon isn’t that stupid. Maybe. Hopefully.
That was my initial thought; but on second guess I think he is that dumb.
Well if this were real life, he would be that dumb. But in TV world, people are only as smart or dumb as the storyline allows them to be. Since Bran and Rickon’s storyline hasn’t been explored enough, Theon can’t be that dumb. Though if he continues on with the ruse that it actually was them instead of the orphans, he’s pretty much condemned himself to same fate as if it were the Stark kids. Which is actually even dumber.
In addition to the running Attractive Women of “Game of Thrones” Power Rankings. I propose we introduce another regular feature: Evil Scumbags Who Deserve to Suffer a Horrid and Graphic Death Weekly Power Rankings. This week:
#1. Theon Greyjoy
#2. Jaime Lannister
#3. Xaro Xhoan Daxos (So YOU’RE the piece of shit responsible for the death my lovely Dothraki princess Irri!)
#4. Joffrey (Did not appear but obligatory)
#5. Dagmer Cleftjaw
Jaime Lannister is NOT an evil scumbag. Scumbag, yes. Evil, no. Besides Tywin he’s probably the most honest, common sense character in the series.
Oh I love the kingslayer, KingsmootKeggers, but I’m posting this list without considering the books and the added layers and nuances they add. My parents and friends who are show-only people positively despise Jaime at this point
Gotcha. But even still his classic “Break one vow for another” speech should give them a little hope for Jaime. He’s clearly not a 100% evil scumbag like Joffrey or a 100% overwhelmed scumbag like Theon. He’s a scumbag that knows what he’s doing and why he’s doing it.
Irri posthumously still beats Shae on the hottie power rankings btw. And I totally agree with this list since most if the swag in this ep belonged to the ladies.
Pardon my dumb question; but who is Dagmer Cleftjaw (If this is a joke, yes I am too dumb to understand it or know the obscure reference)?
Dagmer is the one buggering Maester Luwin in gif number 11 up top.
I don’t even think Jaime is a scumbag. His only crime, as far as I see it, is shoving Bran out the window. What else did he do that wasn’t justifiable?
Sorry for asking this, but who are Bran and Rickon?
The two youngest Stark Children.
The two youngest sons of Ned Stark. Bran is paralyzed from the waist down, and Rickon is in the show so infrequently he might as well be an extra.
Right, right. When the fuck did they ever show Rickon?
He was on one episode being an asshole while cracking nuts.
He’s the whiny one who looks like he always has snot running from his nose.
Rickon’s the Lord Protector of Walnuts.
Rickon also appeared in season one a couple times — once when Robb was about to leave for the war, Bran said “They’ll be back,” and Rickon said “No they won’t.” And then later, Rickon was escorting his wolf in the Winterfell crypt, and the wolf scared Osha half to death.
Ygritte and Talisa need to jello wrestle for that number one spot.
And also ALL HAIL KING DUCKSAUCE!!!
Maybe now Dany can get some of that Chick-Fil-A he has hidden in his vault…
Polynesian Sauce is only manufactured at the House of the Undying, however.
“There’s only one fat Lannister. If she was your mother, you’d know it.”
Jaimie was my favorite part of this episode- both scenes of him in the prison were outstanding.
Should have highlighted that line above. Fantastic.
I kept wanting Cat to tell Brienne to slap Jaime with her mailed fist, Joffrey/Meryn style.
I’m on the fence about whether Tywin knows who Arya really is. Having read all the books, it’s rather nice not knowing where an arc is headed, especially one this compelling.
He clearly knows she’s not who she says she is, but I don’t think he knows she’s a Stark. I find myself looking forward to their scenes as much as I look forward to Dinklage.
He knows she’s not a commoner, but since Arya being on the loose is a closely guarded secret, he doesn’t know it’s her. I suspect he will have a big “doh!” moment when he finally figures it out.
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It’d be brilliant if, considering how much the show deviates from the books, if the bodies actually turned out to be Bran and Rickon’s.
That’s probably a bridge too far and would essentially end Bran’s long, seemingly important arc over the next three-plus novels. I know most people hate the Bran story but with Benioff/Weiss knowing the end game I doubt they’ll be able to write them out.
I wouldn’t like it, either, but it’d be the ultimate troll move on their part. I’m for that.
Martin’s face is THE troll face.
Am I the only book reader REALLY hating how they are portraying Jon Snow’s story arch this year? I love the show and understand most of the modifications that have been done but HBO’s interpretation of events beyond the Wall has bugged me from the season’s premier and only gotten worse each week.
I really do not like how they have had Jon come off as bungling as they have this year. Every change from getting knocked out by Craster to begging like a bitch to be allowed on the patrol instead of the Halfhand specifically ask for him to go, to the debacle that has been the Yigrette storyline these last two weeks, every alteration seems to serve no purpose other than to humiliate Jon. HBO’s actions in this instance have not streamlined the show in terms of pacing, action or time/budget concerns. If anything they have slowed the show down and removed a great deal of suspense (the wilding pursuit of Jon and Rangers was one of tensest parts of book two for me). Again I don’t mind most of the changes (and many times prefer them) but they are slowly ruining one of my favorite characters and storylines here.
That may be a little drastic but with all the diverging plot threads in books 3 -5 I feel like some choices nearly on that level will have to be made.
Also, curious to see how they handle Bran & Rickon going forward without the Reeds. I’m thinking everything the Reeds provide will come to Bran in dreams and he’ll go north with hodor alone- and Rickon will go with Osha as per the books.
Why were both corpses missing a hand?
I’m with Chazz on this one. Remember, the showrunners have to make decisions with these characters that have four-to-six year implications. Slight alterations now can pay big dividends in the future in terms of streamlining plot points. It feels like Benioff and Weiss are taking different routes to the same endpoint, and that’s fine with me.
One Jaime-related question: do you think Cat’s going to cut off his hand, which would get rid of all the Vargo stuff, or is she just bluffing? They wouldn’t do that, right?
Osha’s been laying the groundwork for Bran to start harnessing his dreams for some time now. I don’t think they’ll split up. At least not for a while (maybe a couple seasons). There’s no reason to split up now. Rickon is non-existent in the books, until a small mention in ADwD, and as such, I dont give a shit about him. At least this way, they can give him more screentime and maybe build up some viewer investment in him the way the books never could.
No, Cat is gonna use that sword to cut him free, setting up the Jamie/Brienne arc next season. While his speech about only being good at killing really foreshadows that move, I don’t think it will happen this early or off screen.
Cat’s going to set Jaime free.
Because if she cuts off his hand, I will be furious. That would be the biggest disrespect to cannon since Jon and Ygrette rolled in the snow together for 2 episodes for no reason.
People keep complaining about the Jon Snow story right now, but I can’t for the life of me remember what happened in the books other than Snow killing Quorin to join the wildlings.
I didn’t pick up on Irri being dead last week, I just thought she had been knocked out. So I guess this means no Dany-Irri lez action after Dany starts getting hot and bothered in book 3? That’s got to be one of the five worst editing decisions by the showrunners.
I don’t think she’ll cut off his hand- probably will use the sword to make him swear to get arya and sansa back like in the book…. but she did just spend time saying he’s broken every oath he’s ever made (his response was one of my favorite parts of season 2 so far).
So yeah, I don’t know. If they plan to ignore the brave companions completely than that would make sense.
The sword is more to make Jaime swear a vow.
@Josh, they better not have Cat cut off Jamie’s hand. Better be Vargo who orders it.
On second though, I suppose Doreah is still out there, potentially making men happy to find out more about Qarth and to return next episode, in which case there may still be some Dany-handmaid action. Though, if they write out Doreah with the “she’s nowhere to be found” BS of last night, that would be an awful, terrible waste of Roxanne McKee.
@QueeferSutherland- I think the fear was that they were cutting out the Qhorin-Jon scene. And now it looks like it might be true. Unless Qhorin got caught by the wildlings as well.
Also, really looking forward to see how they handle the House of the Undying scene. Drogon going to fuck shit up.
I’m guessing Halfhand has been captured too. Maybe there will be a prisoner scene with him and Snow and that’s where he tells Jon what to do. It’d make no sense to just have him be dead or not seen again.
@ JC’s shredded knees and pretty much all of us purists. I can’t stand the Jon story arc. I’ve trolled before on how much I love the scenes with Qorin and Jon. I could instantly tell with subtle changes, like Jon running after Ygritte instead of letting her go, the writers were f*cking up the awesomeness that is this story arc.
@JoshK: from the standpoint of a fan of the books, it would be a truly terrible decision for them to have Cat cut off Jaime’s hand. It would undermine the Brienne/Jaime storylines that are crucial to the story and the development of their respective characters from the third book on. And, as much as the show has been diverging from the books, getting rid of Bran’s storyline would be too much of a change, since his place in the novels (and their likely conclusion) is too big to cut out.
@grizzled I’m with you on the Jon arc being altered is pretty shitty, though I don’t think its so bad that it’ll ruin it for the next season and beyond (I hope). Plus, I like the added dialogue/flirting between them two.
If Cat cuts off Jaime’s hand, then he’d have zero motivation to follow through on the oath he makes her. It’d be bad writing.
@ Dub_C I thought the scene last week where Quorin asks Ygritte in front of Jon, what his fate would be if he was ever captured by the Wildings was to allow viewers to understand why Jon could readily kill him rather than have him be mutilated or tortured.
Question for book readers. Where do you think the boys are hiding? Considering they didnt double back to Winterfell crypts.
@Charlie- I hope so.. I hope so. That scene is a real character builder for Jon.
@JoshK- pre-spoiler thread, I mentioned that they Stark boys weren’t charred, they were tarred. While it was common for heads to be tarred before spiked, to prolong public display, I totally forgot that Theon HAD to burn the bodies because he knew they weren’t the actual Stark kids. He then tarred the heads and spiked them on the walls of Winterfell. So.. sorry!
Whoa. If the Stark boys are already in the countryside away from Winterfell how does Wex spy and recognise them from the tree (following the sacking by Ramsey) to send Davos on his future mission for Lord-Too-Fat? Have they doubled back to Winterfell?
@charlie bronze. The writers have clearly changed that. So im guessing they make up some completely new and that story arc is forever changed. In fact that’s a gaurantee. I hate it cus I’m a book troll
Meh, they could still double back. All we know from this episode is that they definitely weren’t going to that farm, and that they needed to get moving.
@ grizzled55 That could indicate that what was a great revelation in ADWD and the implications that had for other characters (i.e. the Littlefinger/Sansa gambit) is just going to be a wild goose chase for Davos.
Someone has to explain the motivation of making Cat’s decision to release the Kingslayer BEFORE finding out about Bran and Rickon to me. I saw absolutely no reason to do it that way.
Is it just me, or is Cersei much more sympathetic in the show than in the book? Granted, I read all five books in a long (LOOOOOONG) stretch, one after the other, so that they all run together, but I do remember hating her guts from start to finish. I think I would’ve felt sorry for this Cersei.
@ Leapin_Lizards Tyrion has already planted the idea through Littlefinger’s meeting with her that she could get her daughters back in exchange for Jaime. He knew she’d have to act without Robb’s consent as he could never openly make the same exchange.
And thats why Cat asked for sword, not to cut hand but to release Jaime and make the trade. With Robb gone, now is the time….
Man season 3 will be fucking epic.
@MissingLink: good catch, this could be a way for them to condense the start of book 3. Cat sets Jaime free along with Brienne to try to get her daughters back in a trade with King’s Landing while Robb gets with Talisa and shits all over the deal with the Freys. I agree with Leapin_Lizards’ suggestion that this would have been more impactful if Cat had first heard of Rickon and Bran’s “death”, but, well… the show’s not always as airtight as the books.
From the looks of it, the wildlings will have captured Qhorin too and Jon’ll be instructed by the Halfhand to infiltrate them by killing him. So, not a *huge* deviation from the books, really. Still, I agree with a lot of the comments on here about how insipid they’re potraying Jon as being.
OK so I totally understand how Snow’s portrayal is pissing you guys off but I think this actually serves a grander purpose. Hear me out:
Up to this point he has been portrayed as unsure, conflicted, even bumbling. But that’s just going to be part of his character’s arc. His time with the wildlings and especially Ygritte is going to man him the fuck up. I’m pretty sure that they’ve captured Qhorin too and their gonna make them fight and THATS where Snow gets his undercover orders. After he makes it through all that he will be ready, character-wise, to take over as head crow.
Damn you, @Dub_C! But it could have been either, so whatevs. At least “char” and “tar” rhyme.
@The Surly Badger. I agree with you about the likely lead up to Qhorin vs Jon. I think what’s annoying some (to a degree, myself included) is that Jon was shown to be far more capable in the books and season 1 than Bumbles McBonerton we’ve been getting the last few episodes. I still trust the show-runners know what they’re doing with him though, so I’m happy to say I know nothing until I see more.
@mindtaker, thank you so so much for the name Bumbles McBonerton, you will be receiving a Christmas card from me.
Jons fight with Halfhand might actually be better than book, Wildimgs set up a Figjt Club between Alpha Crows, Jon and Half put on a good show, then acea him e/ help from Ghost. Tella Mance hes tired of being a bastard, and wants to ride or die w/ the Frre Folk.
^ typing on smart-phone while on the toilet may cause serious misspellings btw
Aww I thought your autospell just made that post way more gangsta
well, i do enjoy keeping it real. *pours out 40oz for Yoren & Ser Rodrik
The book never mentioned that the boys doubled back to the crypt. I suspect the last episode may have them coming out of the crypts after Winterfell is burned.
As for Jon, what if the last scene of ep 10 is him killing halfhand and joining the Wildlings? The talk of him betraying the Nights Watch would get a huge reaction to set up season 3. The real purpose could then be explained in a backstory. Just a thought since they’ve really changed his storyline.
What do you guys see re: any significance of the scene with Dany/Pyat/Xaro? I guess it could all wrap up next week if the whole point was just to get her in the House of the Undying, but I am inclined to believe there might be a bit more to it, since, if the only point was producing some narrative cover to get her into the HoD (and the juicy, juicy prophecies therein… but that’s a whole other can of worms), it seems like they went way overboard with Xaro and Pyat teaming up AND offing the rest of the 13. Any thoughts? This is probably way overboard, but my first-blush reaction was to be reminded of the entire “trapped” vibe of Dany in Mereen that doesn’t get going until much later in the story. I say this because now, with Xaro plainly not her traditional ally, it seems like she is going to have to “escape” Qarth (as opposed to just leaving). And, like Mereen, it seems like her “out” is marrying a powerful local (Xaro instead of whatshisname). What do you guys think? GRRM has more or less admitted that untangling all of the junk in Mereen was a huge pain in the ass for him in the later books, so do you think the producers might be trying to nip that in the bud and roll some of that conflict into the story earlier? This might be kind of crackpot on my part, but crackpot ish is what makes rapping about ASoIaF so much fun.
Also, FWIW, I am curious to see how they deal with the Reeds’ not being around, too. Although, they could probably sort of hop into the story at any point without losing much of what they contribute to the narrative. Alternately, you could just use Osha as a replacement for the kind of wisdom that the Reeds provide in the book (I think someone may have alluded to that a bit already). I’d be sort of sad if that happens, though, because the off-screen implications of the mysterious Howland Reed are an usually fertile source of speculation about major future plot points (possible spoiler here even if you have read the books — I am alluding to his unique knowledge of R+L=J).
In the preview for next week [www.youtube.com] it looks like Arya is wasting her third death on Tywin*. Do not want. Either for her to want to kill him or for her/the show to not follow the book in this regard. Slow down, although hurry up and get Dany to the House of Undressed. We need to see her boobs again as her constant whining is beginning to grate.
*could just be a sneaky trailer trick
@Charlie Br0nze … No way, using Jaqen as the 3rd name is to clever/important/usefull to waste, plus it looks like Tywin is leaving Harrenhal….
I don’t like the way HBO has strayed from the books, but the Tywin/Arya arc has been awesome…….li trust they will do the best for fans of series and books
I am really enjoying the deviations from the books as I am kept guessing each week. I have no idea how they’re going to wrap this season with only 3 episodes remaining. The major questions I have are as follows:
Shouldn’t they be making the giant chain in King’s Landing?
Will Lord Commander Mormont see next season?
Will Baristan and Strong Belwas save Dany from Quarthe?
Do we need to see Bran and Rickon again this season?