8. Oh, Juice — Meanwhile, Juice finally found the legal documents that Jax needed to convict Clay among a jury of his peers, but he slipped out and between the time that Jax planned to finally take out Clay, got abducted by Galinda, and made the deal, Clay managed to move the legal documents again, which really pissed off Jax. Juice got a beat down, and Clay got ANOTHER stay of execution, although Jax did confess to Bobby and Chibs that Clay was behind Piney’s death, his dad’s death, and the hit on Tara.
Oh, and by the way: Juice is a pu**y.
9. Gemma’s Derp Derp Derping — This whole plan to use Gemma to get to Clay doesn’t seem to be going anywhere, and once Juice found the legal documents, was temporarily moot. But she’s still hanging in there, all the while keeping a now crazed Nero at arm’s length. However, she definitely needed Nero to know that she loved him, and that he shouldn’t go anywhere, and, you know, thanks a lot for killing those two guys he didn’t need to kill.
10. “You here to kill me, VP?” “No, I”m here to keep you alive.” — That was the bizarre twist at the end of the show. After Bobby finds out what an unrelenting bastard Clay is, what does he do? Oh, well, he offers to help Clay, of course!
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The interesting thing here is that the mysterious man played by Donal Logue is the real-life twin brother of the nurse that was killed. Somehow Sutter has managed to integrate that into the show and that just makes him a fantastic writer. You just never know with Sons of Anarchy so I’ve always got my DISH Hopper recording the new episodes each week. With four times more hard drive space to record than other DVRs I know that I don’t have to rush to delete something I haven’t watched yet. Tara’s storyline with bringing the cross to Otto was a bad idea from the beginning but perhaps this was necessary in a way that may or may not be revealed this season, other than her possibly being an accessory to murder and getting stuck in Charming. My DISH co-worker is really wondering about Bobby’s role in all of this. Perhaps Bobby was never the right pick as VP for Jax and now he’s up to something with Clay. Could it be that he is truly unaware how much Clay has hurt Jax? Either way, he better be careful before something awful happens to him.
Best show Ive seen in a VERY LONG TIME and Jax, I LOVE YOU!!!! lol
Love the show and this site. It helps get others opinions. I feel so lost sometimes trying to piece it together.
I think Bobby had a hand in JT’s death… Thoughts?
Tara’s lost her ever lovin’ mind going behind Jax!
What the fuck Bobby?
Am I the only one who was surprised @ Clay walking away to give Gemma & Nero some personal time?!
I’ve been out of town for Thanksgiving and don’t feel like reading through all the comments to catch up.
I just wanted to come post this and gloat about getting one of these bad boys.
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There’s been quite a few car accidents/rolling down hills this season <_<
There’s an awful lot of bro-kissing for a show about gun-running, drug muleing bikers.
I am so sick of hearing about the goddamn letters to Maureen Ashby.
When I want to be immersed in some epistolary bullshit I pour myself some Earl Grey and curl up with Samuel Richardson’s Clarissa.
Yeah the Nero set was cra, but you just have to roll with it.
Otto is finally going to get his. Can’t happen soon enough for me.
If he wanted to kill himself so badly, why doesn’t he just use his damn shirt to make a noose?
The head of the gang that Nero killed? That was the dude that forced Aceveda to blow him at gunpoint back on “The Shield.”
I’m really starting to wonder if the reviewer even actually watches SOA or has common sense. I’m pretty sure Unser has been doing chemo treatments before. Gema would take him and then go get pot to make him feel better afterward. Just because this is the first time we have seen him getting treatment doesn’t mean he just started treatment. And the reason Jax didn’t pull off this master plan at the end of last season was because he had just gotten voted club pres. at the very end of last season. He didn’t have time to pull off any plans. Also, you keep harping on why Jax needs proof to kill Clay when he never needed proof before killing anyone else. Well Clay isn’t just anyone else, he is a club member. He can’t just kill a club member without taking it to the table and having them vote on it and they are never going to vote to kill Clay if Jax gives them no proof of all the shit Clay has done. It’s not exactly the same as killing some rival gang members.
Oh but he was all ready to gun Juice down for the same reason, without consulting any of the other members or any evidence (Sheriff didn’t even technically say Juice was the leak). And not only that looking for “legal documents” is just such a bullshit sounding phrase to justify this.
Love this show
Why am I the only one that hated the second season and loved the third season most of all? S3′s ending is still the best season ending of all of them, going out with just the right amount of action, cleaning up old plot lines (killing Staal/Jimmy O), introducing new ones (the secret behind John Tellar’s death exposed), and with the best twist of all (Jax was working with ATF with the club’s blessing).
As per this episode, I’m glad my faith in Sutter paid off. And the entire move with Nero and his old gang was nonsensical in the set up (brothels keep gangs at bay?) but it did set up the gun deal gone bad (they were looking to kill the Sons and just take the guns fyi; they weren’t getting them for free). And, with Nero back at the head and Gemma twisting him around, it leaves us with whether or not Nero will go to war with the Sons. Nero’s a smart man, and he’s clearly capable of out-maneuvering Jax.
Season 2 is one of the best single seasons of any show ever.
Wasn’t Jax supposed to be giving a cut from his drugs and also guns I think to pope as part of their deal? How will it work now. I doubt the ten percent he gets from guns, and I assume drugs too will be enuff to pay SAMCROW and Pope. Seems like they need a new and big revenue stream and quick. The housing project seems a ways a way
I think that is why Jax proposed that land deal to him.
Pope gave up his 10% and started paying Sons to mule for him too. I think that
happened 2 or 3 eps ago.
So, anyone else think that Clay is Jax’s real dad? I’m guessing that little bit of info was in the safe, and that it’s what will keep Clay alive (yet again) at the end of this season.
Wasn’t Jax already born before the cheating started. I can’t remember. Plus he had an older bro too rt? I thought it was the birth of his kids that changed his mentality about the club, which got Jemma and Clay together
Specifically it was the other son, Thomas, dying. I can’t remember if he was the older or younger brother, but he never made it beyond infancy. So if he’s the older brother, it’s a possibility that Clay could be Jax’s father. If he’s the younger one, than it’s unlikely.
I had thought Thomas was the older brother, which would make the timeline fit.
Nope, looked it up. Jax was born in 78, Thomas was born in 84. Jax is the legitimate son of John, unless Gemma’s been foolin’ for a long time. Which honestly wouldn’t surprise me.
Ah, my mistake. Well, there goes my idea.
love the show!!! it keeps getting better each episode. Hope everything with Jax works out right. he needs to take clay out but then again he helps make the show better.
Isn’t it Galindo and not Galinda? I haven’t read sutter’s twits but Galinda doesn’t seem like a latin surname
Yeah, We got donald and karina logue. If Michael Raymond-James isn’t donald’s partner I’m gonna shout at the tv. Terrieeeeeeeeers!
I don’t know if I am going to like this guy. when he went after Otto for the sisters death and wanting vengence, I get that, but then he was following Tara…. Bad move. I think that right there could get him a serious death sentence that would be carried out very quickly.
Also what is the deal with juice, either cut the guy loose or keep him in. he was a strong character in the first 3 seasons. Now he’s just looking like a weak girl
They need to kill him, he’s tunred out to be more of a biker form the Village people than an OG gansta.
Best episode of the season.
I was wondering when Tigg or Bobby would become a factor. Bobby stepped up. Curious to see if next episode is Tiggs turn.
Hopefully Jax gives Tigg to Pope with no strings attached. Jax has gotten away with to many grand scheme plans to not get burned. Either that or he has a plan to save Tigg, it backfires and Pope has his men take out half of the Redwood Originals and his wife.
Jax is tearing stuff up! I bet he tells Pope to pound sand before he give Tig up to him. Jax has always been about the brotherhood… No way will he make that trade.
Yeah at the end of last season Jax just learned about the deal. He’s left there standing with his dick in his hand and with the Cartel/CIA hanging a huge fucking guillotine over his head. He really can’t think to himself:
“Shit! I know! I’ll manipulate the Mexicans into muling and the Chinese into giving us guns!”
All right after finding out that: Clay put a hit out on Tara, killed his dad, killed his dad’s best friend and his best friend’s dad, and has been manipulating him for his whole life, yet he can’t kill him and not to mention that his club might just die off.
“WHY DIDN’T JAX DO THAT AT THE END OF LAST SEASON?”
This is how Sutter implies Jax’s character has learned from watching Pope’s “smart business sense”.
Season 4 also ended with Jax just finding out about all of this. He was also voted Prez literally as last season ended. So he really couldn’t put all of this shit together.
Gemma is going to get in the way of Jax or another SOA of killing Clay.
And goddamn can we please have a few plot lines or stories that follow Happy, he is one of the coolest characters.
I’d be happy with an entire hour of Happy just walking around kicking things, and maybe swearing a little bit. At least I wouldn’t have to suspend so much belief every week.
But realistically, David Labrava isn’t an actor, he’s a Hells Angel who gets a line here and there.
An episode focusing on Happy would have three words of dialogue.
And it would kick so much ass.
“SHE WAS CALAMITY JANE, FOR GOD’S SAKE”
Exactly my thought just as soon as Jax yelled at her. I wanted Robin Weigert, in character as Jane, to respond to Jax. Still, her comeback was OK, but it was incomplete without at least a “cocksucker” or “frog-faced fuck” thrown in there to punctuate.
I was slightly drunk watching last night, but I`m pretty sure I yelled at my TV, Don`t you yell at Jane, cocksucker! (This may not be my first comment about yelling at my tv on here, but yeah, I do that a lot. Also I`m slightly drunk now and I somehow changed my keyboard to French Canadian mode, so yeah, mind my punctuation please)
We need timothy Oliphamt to complete the deadwood bingo, make Raylan do an investigation now
One of my biggest problems with this season is the way Jax likes to handle problems now.
Lawyer: “Hey, this might not go the you want it to. Tara might be in a lot of trouble.”
Jax: “I DON’T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, JUST FIX IT!”
Its the Captain Kirk School of Leadership:
“Sir, it is physically impossible for me to draw more power out of the engines”
“I DON’T CARE, JUST GIVE ME MORE POWER!”
That always worked for Kirk, though.
Maybe Jax is a secret Trekkie.
Note to self: Try to work the phrase “felony whacking” into conversation sometime in the next few days.
Asking for a hand job in county lock up might do the trick.
I was thinking more jerking off in the back of a police car. But that could work.
They would have to handcuff you from the front. You could ask the cop for a rubdown.
The car rolling down the hills scene would’ve been better if it was Jim Carey driving. No one rolls cars like Ace Ventura
Strange, I was thinking Toonces the Driving Cat.
“I have no recollection of the two characters ever being close, so that all seemed very out-of-place.” I don’t know if it was S1 or S2, but it was fairly early on, I recall Tara asking Unser (without directly saying so) if she should be in love with Jax and he replied by saying pretty much, (paraphrase) “Enjoy the good stuff in life in life because most of it is shit.” So, they’ve had at least some emotional bonding conversational moments before. In Kurt Sutter’s world, that was more than enough screen time to establish their relationship.
I think Donal gave Sutter a beatdown as retribution for this episode’s shitty script.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go roll my car down the hill. It’s a shortcut.
Based on the history of the show and musical montages, I have to say that I am disappointed that we didn’t see something like Logue grabbing Tara and the kids or some other possible horror for the club before it went to reaper at the end. Though Bobby leaving us all wondering what his motivation is/was is probably sufficient.
The only thing worse than Dave Navarro is Dave Navarro playing guitar for the Chili Peppers
He’s not that bad of a guy, but I agree re: RHCP.
A few years ago while sleeping in line before the last NIN show in L.A., he came down about 12:30 am and dropped off groceries to all the kids in line. That was cool as hell.
that entire sequence where the Sons went to sell the Mexicans the guns was hilariously sloppy and poorly done. that station wagon was a beat up wreck after it rolled down the mountain and then in the next shot it’s perfectly fine and they drive off
I noticed that, too. The Sons must be hella good mechanics.
It wasn’t even a Volvo!
What is going on with Bobby?! Also, Donal MOTHERFUCKING Logue is a badass!
I want his character to just show up twice in every episode from here on out; once to beat the ever-loving shit out of Otto, and once to menacingly follow some other character.
Could Donal Logue be in line as the “big bad” for next season? A guy can dream can’t he?
That was my thought. Hope Sutter doesnt kill him in the next 2 episodes.
God, that would be amazing.
I hope we at least get a scene with him and Eli Roosevelt, for the Terriers reunion.
I thought Donal Logue was beating Otto for trying to out-ugly his daughter in Grounded For Life…I like to connect all Donal Logue characters…
I do the same for Jimmy Smits. I can’t imagine the fall that took him from President to Supreme Court Justice to gangbanger pimp, but I like it.
Once the planet you’re senator for gets blown up by the government, your credibility with the voters goes out the window.
To be fair, Lynsey Bartilson is kind of a 6 when it comes to gingers.
Each week I keep thinking that this is the last episode before the finale, but it just keeps on moving. I don’t get the Nero plot, but the rest seems to be coming together alright. Donal Logue is always welcome.
My confusion is high.
Ok. It also burns me that Tara accepted the job without telling jax. Oh, and they kidnap jax and its like okie never mind? Oh, and. I don’t even know where to start.
When they grabbed Jax, he screamed for Bobby like a bitch and I laughed.
I was burned by her accepting the position as well. Dummy!
jax is an idiot. that’s why he didn’t think of the lin-mayans plan for the guns and coke at the end of last season.
also, re: burden of proof, i think its because he is now trying to get the club to “sanction” killing clay and that needs more official proof with their parliamentary rules and crap. before, jax was just going to kill clay on his own, or with opie (rip).
and the bobby thing is interesting, part of a jax plan or is bobby really aligning with clay again, or just something that makes no sense at all. sutter is tough to read sometimes.
lastly, so glad donal logue is in this. please be for more than these last two episodes. i miss terriers. i really think it was canceled because it got a stupid name and that made fewer people watch it.
Ok. Point for point I agree with you. But. How does it not make a difference who supplies the guns? I thought they needed the Irish because that’s who they are after? I’m the only one who sees this?
I see the same thing as you, but maybe we don’t speak Sutter.
Thats what I kept going back to. I thought the whole thing was getting the Irish. Or was that just Potter who was after the Irish?
I am with you here. I thought the point was that the IRA stay in since they were a major target, though keeping everything intact with some different players still allows the CIA to stay integrated with the Cartel and work all of their crazy malarkey.
The CIA just wants the guns to fight their drug war in Mexico, doesn’t matter to them who they get it from. It was Potter, not the cartel, that wanted the IRA.
This so is much more enjoyable if you dont’t try to think too much. You start going down that rabbit hole and its all shit at the bottom.
I gave up after Gemma crashed the car. Tell me Dustin, Upproxers, should I get on the wagon again, just because of Donal Logue ? Because that picture (and your contagious enthousiasm about him beating the shot out of Otto) is pulling me back in…
Ironically, I just got the Gemma Badge.
When in doubt go with Logue.
Logue made it interesting last night. Worth a look.
Cars still crash and people still get shot. Donal Logue can only make it better. I personally never loved the plot, and since it’s gotten steadily worse, I just look past it.
would have been a great twist if while cheering after rolling down a hill. the car would have blown up…or just not started
sometimes watching this show i think that Kurt has an idea for 6ix episodes then FX say we will pay for 13, so Sutter goes on a coke binge to stretch with insanity
That would explain how he came up with whole Venus Van Dam scenario.
Badge dammit. Zombies eat Charming.
Too many zombies everywhere. How about wolfmans instead?
I don’t think Bobby is there to help Clay. He’s seen how Jax has gone all over the place. Not thinking straight. If Clay is going to go down it should go by the club first, so he’s probably avoiding that Jax just randomly shows up and kills Clay and mess things up even more.
Or Bobby actually played a role in killing Jax’s dad?
The whole damn show is getting hard to watch…. sadly.
Tru Dat
still better than most of the other shit on tv.
still entertaining though. just not as good as the justifieds and breaking bads out there.
Im thinking DaveNavarro might also be in Hoe-Business. As in a Rival to Nero in the North Cali Ass-Game.
Either that or he is kin to the asshole that Nero blasted in the head.
oh yeah, forgot he got a guest starring role. still not as good as boyd’s cameo, unless navarro is a tranny too and him, boyd and tig have a three way.
@Crowder, then Navarro can include that in his regular Penthouse column.
I hate everything about Jax…the way he walks, talks, smokes cigarettes.
yep.