
There’s been a lot of yammering about Community lately, which by itself is nothing new. This is the Internet, there’s always a lot of yammering about Community. What makes this latest round different is that it’s coming from big, fancypants NBC executives instead of the hoards of blog- and Twitter-types that usual rouse this particular brand of rabble. (Related: Hi!) Due to a combination of new management, the build-up for the spring schedule, and the TCAs, NBC bigwigs have been making themselves available to answer questions, and — SURPRISE SURPRISE — many critics and television insiders have had questions about the show that’s widely adored among critics and television insiders, if few others.
Josh touched on some of this earlier today in his TCA Roundup, where he mentioned NBC President Bob Greenblatt saying generally that Community could “absolutely get a fifth season,” and specifically “You’re going to see relatively the same show you’ve seen before and I hope that’s a good thing. Maybe there’s a little more heart built into it, but we didn’t fundamentally change it.”
And in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, new-ish President of Entertainment Jennifer Saltz had this to say about the show, and the state of the network as a whole:
THR: You’ve said you want to change NBC’s brand of comedy. How?
Salke: We’ve talked about the idea of going broader. It doesn’t mean going broad. We’re trying to increase the ratings. That’s our job. We have these shows in 30 Rock, Parks and Recreation and Community that we love. They’re super sophisticated, and they attract a very upscale audience, but we need to expand beyond that. [...]
THR: How long do you intend to stick with Community, which is both narrow and adored?
Salke: There’s no way to deny that the show is loved by many, many people who aren’t measured by Nielsen. So the giant question on everybody’s mind is how do we go about getting an accurate representation of who’s actually watching all of these shows when you have entire generations of people who do not watch any live television.
THR: Does it live beyond this season with those ratings?
Salke: Well, first of all, any show that’s doing okay that we love we will try to support as much as we can. But there are more things that go into that decision. For instance, it depends on what’s happening financially with the show. We have shows that we love that lose tons of money. So those factors obviously come into the equation
There’s a healthy, robust amount of PR spin to dig through in both of their answers, but the gist of it is this: NBC has pretty much decided that a schedule full of “sophisticated” comedies like Community, Parks & Recreation, and 30 Rock is an unsustainable business model, and something needs to give in order for the network to remain competitive. This is fine. They are, after all, a business. I wish them nothing but the best in all their future monkey-wearing-a-labcoat-style endeavors.
But I would like to make one small point, if I may. A request, really: Please don’t screw around too much with my shows in the process. I know this may go slightly against the #SixSeasonsAndAMovie mantra, but I swear to God it is okay with me if you cancel Community after this season. Please don’t mistake me here, I would prefer that you don’t. But if my only options are that, and, like, a reworked, post-Michael-Scott-The Office-ed version of the show — with more “heart,” whatever that means exactly — I’ll take the former 100 times out of 100. (Same thing goes for Parks & Rec, which, for the record, has so much heart that it’s oozing out its various orifices and dripping all over Pawnee.) This is the same argument I made last season when people were clamoring for more “accessible” episodes of Community, ones that could draw in a larger subset of viewers, preferably with Nielsen boxes. I don’t want an accessible version of my favorite shows. I want the same laser-focused, from-concentrate stuff that made me like them in the first place.
No, I’d rather you give the show a firm end date so it can finish telling its desired story, then let it die a noble death by firing squad instead of allowing it to wither away in a dungeon somewhere, rambling about Halloween and Christmas sometime after February like a lunatic. I may not be as frequent a viewer as I once was after this happens — I’ll still buy all the seasons on iTunes or Netflix, I promise — but, to be honest, you and I were growing apart anyway. I’m more of a cable guy at this point. You know: FX, AMC, HBO, and heck, even USA and TNT, sometimes. You don’t really want my business, because I am a snob and the snob market can’t keep you afloat. We’ve seen that. It’s fine.
And after you let Community go out the way it deserves, the way 30 Rock will later this year, you can fill your schedule with whatever you like: a multi-camera show starring Paul Reiser as a grumpy grandfather forced to run his daughter’s daycare after her untimely death (HEART! PRECOCIOUS KIDS!), a laugh track-filled goof-fest about four 30-somethings — two of whom could be gay, if you like — trying to open a hip Brooklyn-style brunch spot in rural Texas (CULTURE CLASH!), whatever you want. Those are freebies, gifts from me to you. And you can have either or both of them if you agree to one simple condition: Leave my shows alone.
Thank you for your time. I’ll be watching Archer if you need me.



It makes sense really, I mean as advertisers and networks are sure to know, it’s not like us “sophisticated” folks are the ones that make the most disposable income…oh wait.
But the people that watch Honey Boo Boo are more likely to buy the crap they shill on TV, like the Tortilla Bowl form pan.
Oh man I want that tortilla bowl forming pan so bad. Think of all the awesome nacho bowls you could make.
It’s more than okay if you cancel Community. I sensed a quality decline in some of the heavily self-indulgent third season.
Your comment is, sadly, undeniably true.
There all this talk that the 3rd Season was super uneven. This is true, some episodes were vastly inferior to others. The thing is, this is normal. Season 2 had a few clunkers as well and most of first half of the 1st Season is lacking as the show tried to find it’s footing.
Season 3 relied too much on gimmick episodes, where they were an occasional treat earlier on. Well, mostly season 1, season 2 started pushing it. Season 4 could be an absolute nightmare.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I like the gimmicky episodes. Video game, faux documentary? Yes please.
I like them, but I thought the third season was overkill.
As much as I love the gimmick episodes, the show itself was becoming more synonymous with them. “The law and order one.” “the video game one” “The civil war documentary one,” etc. There were way fewer “the one with the trampoline” or “the one with the valentine’s day dance” episodes. All of them were great, but there needs to be a few “regular” episodes or even more subtle episodes, or the special ones will start to seem less special.
i do not agree with any of these complaints at all. i love the gimmick episodes, and i loved the 3rd season even if it wasn’t quite as good as the phenomenal 2nd season. that said, with Harmon gone. if it’s between Community and Parks, keep Parks around.
Per the commentary on the dvd, several of the gimmick episodes mentioned were done for budgetary reasons. The pillow vs blanket fort one in particular allowed them to do 2 episodes with the same wardrobe and sets, and the style of the second half allowed them to shoot for less time because of the stills/voice-overs.
Sometimes we have to sadly, sit back and remember that these networks exist solely to sell commercial ad time. Not to make good shows. They make shows that sell commercials, and that’s it.
This Jennifer Saltz person would like to keep her job. I’d like to keep mine, You’d like to keep yours. For her to keep her job they have to make shows that sell commercials. It is what it is.
This is exactly my point. I really don’t care if they need to dumb things down to make money. I get that. I just wish they’d put a bullet in Community and air new shows that do that instead of screwing with a thing I like.
But it’s their baby. If they start to dress it funny and put a leash on it when it becomes a toddler and it freaks out in the cereal aisle you can’t just shoot it. This isn’t heaven.
The big networks could start to use Hulu and Netflix to air their “sophisticated” shows. If it’s not doing well on Live TV every Thursday, release it every Thursday on Hulu instead. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t NBC, ABC and FOX own Hulu? Might as well utilize it for original programming rather than reruns of things we already saw.
Why can’t FX pick up Community for another season? Or better yet Cinemax, so they can add some strong sexual content to the show.
NETFLIX!
Yeah how is it that FX does pretty well with all its oddball shows but the rest of the networks are convinced that they need to stay in the CSI/2.5 Men/Idiot demo? I guess the major networks are just that much bigger….
Harmon touched on exactly that in his keynote address at the XOXO festival. there’s video of that on youtube.
Can’t wait until NBC sticks Abed with a nifty catchphrase so they can sell t-shirts!
/bazinga’d
He already had one.
Cool. Cool cool cool
which I’m sort of ashamed to say I’ve used on more than one occasion.
You haven’t been to 30 Rock’s store, have you?
I think I like the actors and people in Community more than I like the show itself (although I really really like the show) and it seems like a lot of them are appearing in more and more things so I’m fine if it ends after this year.
I’d rather get 4 seasons of Community at the quality we got (and thanks to the websites like this got more viewers like me that appreciated it) than if it had landed in the Freaks and Geeks / Undeclared heap of awesome shows that people only watch 10 years later.
(and thanks to websites like this that got a few more viewers to watch and appreciate it) <– maybe makes more sense? Meh.
This is me. I’ve never thought the show was consistently funny, but the cast seems to be having fun and they seem to really like each other (minus Chevy Chase). That makes me like them.
What NBC should do is create a spinoff cable network like Fox did with FX and allow shows like Community, P&R and the like could thrive without the expectation of huge ratings.
They had a chance to be something more than CBS-Lite with all of the critically acclaimed comedy they had, but I understand why those great shows aren’t good for business.
I was actually scrolling down to suggest this.
They could do that with USA or Bravo if they weren’t already apparently so content with the low-rent watchable fluff/reality garbage on those respective networks. Actually there’s also G4, and with the identity-shift they’re doing with that channel right now, I guess it’s vaguely possible that something remotely FX-ish could happen with it. Not likely, but maybe possible.
It’s sad to say but I agree. I would actually kind of like to see the end of Community after this season, maybe have a series Finale special or something to tie up and loose ends then kill it. With Dan Harmon, Meghan Gantz, and to a lesser extent Chevy gone I dont think it could ever really be the same show. Ill cherish our memories together and go on watching my DVDs while Annie’s Boobs becomes Chicago’s top bro lawyer in NBCs new sitcom.
Perfectly happy with #fourseasonsandanafterschoolspecial. For that Very Special Episode, how she got the name Adderal Annie and Helen Hunt-ish scene of her jumping out a window.
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But, if it happens, I would like Season 5 to include two new characters:
- Rick Grimes
- Bill Nye
It would explain where the zombies came from, and why Greendale is so isolated.
Keep the show’s format and humor the same, reduce the size of Alison Brie’s shirts by 50% = top 20 rated show.
… the way 30 Rock will later this year…
This month.
The saddest thing about this bullshit is that NBC swapped “smart” for “sophisticated”, meaning smart is out of touch with most Americans.
It’s absolutely true. I’m friends with some people (married couple) that no shit love The Big Bang Theory, NCIS, and enjoyed the movie What to Expect When You’re Expecting. That movie was the worst thing I saw all year and they claimed to have laughed their asses off at it. My friend invited me to Transformers 3 and I said fuck no.
There is a serious problem in this country with the inequality of intelligence. It’s as bad as the division of wealth, but strangely, in no way is it tied to it. The rich get richer, the dumb get dumber, and pretty soon if I can’t afford cable my life will suck ass.
It’s so frustrating. People just don’t want to think too much. I had thought that the rise of “geek culture” and the fact that every piece of information is available at the push of a button might make us smarter and I was WRONG.
I blame the fact that dumb people love having babies. Maybe they don’t understand birth control or something.
Community needs more T&A. They should get someone from Two and a Half Men or Big Bang Theory, you know, people who truly KNOW comedy to come punch up some Community scripts and put some real yuks back into the mix.
That last paragraph makes me long for more DG crafted TV pitch listicles.
I’m at a loss as to what “people” like. I watch stuff I like, and apparently nobody else ever does. However, I understand the desire for networks to make money. I tend to give a lot of stuff a chance, but I try to avoid the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) stuff. Not entirely, mind you, I do still watch the Seth McFarland shows (shut up, I genuinely like American Dad and Family Guy is watchable) but mostly I’ve been gravitating towards stuff on Netflix. Just finished watching Season 2 of Luther, which was awesome. I think that a lot of people will head this direction, to cable and Netflix in the future.
Speaking of family guy it had a bit on it that reminded me a lot of the general uproxx community last night
I think the difference is that you—by virtue of being a Glower (that’s the term right?)—like television as an artistic medium. The people that watch BBT, 2 1/2 Men, etc. don’t see television in that way. It’s like how people that read Twilight, or whatever, might be reading, but they don’t like books as an artistic medium. It’s just “entertainment” to them and it doesn’t matter how it’s presented.
But then, that’s just like, my opinion.
@angryman – I had the exact same reaction to that scene. Thought it was hilarious.
“Paul Reiser as a grumpy grandfather forced to run his daughter’s daycare after her untimely death”
Why the shit would even put this out into the universe?
You accidentally a word.
It’s called in some circles.
I have to disagree.
I want more Community and I want more Parks and Rec. Ratings be damned.
Community has suffered many blows, but the acting is great and they do things that no other show does. I know it’s narrow, I know NBC is selling ad time, but watching those shows is pretty much the only thing to look forward to when television has basically been overrun with dudes with Lego hair and orange spray tans, children that holla for dollas, and a blood type: tiger Charlie Sheen.
In an ideal world, NBC wouldn’t want or need to make more money than they currently do from those shows, and Harmon and Ganz and Stamatopoulos and Chase would all still be onboard (and Chase wouldn’t be such a jackass), and Community could just keep going until the creators and actors collectively agreed to just end it. But this is not an ideal world, money is in everything, and pretty much the only options after this long are likely cancellation or retooling.
Hey, where can I find that Lego hair?
Maybe there’s a little more heart built into it…
Also, they rasta-fied it by about 10%.
Now thats being proactive!
I also have to agree that quality is better than quantity. I would’ve been fine if Community ended last season, because they seemed to wrap it up quite well. You can only go so far until the law of averages kicks in and everything turns into a shameful fiasco (Yeah I’m looking at you, the Office. Again.)
How about we actually see the episodes that are in the can before we start saying it’s okay to cancel it?
Agreed.
double agree.
Triple agree.
I worry for Shirley, and to a lesser extent, Britta.
The rest of the main cast will instantly find work elsewhere. The Dean is an Oscar-winning writer, so he’ll be fine. Chang — he’s the Big Bang Theory-iest part of this show already, I’m sure CBS will plug him in somewhere and he’ll be a huge star for the idiots. Donald Glover will be a huge star once he leaves this interesting little pond, and I think Danny Pudi is talented enough to land somewhere. Annie, no problem. Jeff, no problem. Britta — eh, I like her, but I think maybe she’s bit parts in movies from here.
Yvette Nicole Brown — there just aren’t enough good roles for someone like her in TV and movies. That sucks to think about.
She’s got that East Coast Family nest egg to fall back on, I’m sure.
Allison, Ken, and Joel are the three most bankable actors in the bunch.
Hey Gillian’s got a voice part in the Venture brothers coming up, so there;s that. Also I have plenty of “independent” films produced by myself I’d love to cast her in as the female lead
I’ll be sad if Gillian Jacobs doesn’t have a successful career after Community. A podcast, at the very least. Maybe a voice acting career (thanks for the tip, JCRK), she’d be great at that. Preferably another great sitcom, with some substantial movie roles peppered in.
Same goes for Yvette, actually. And Jim Rash (though I guess his future in writing is pretty bright). And all the rest, too, but I think their odds are all pretty good.
Well put. I have been feeling this way, especially since Megan Ganz left. Meanwhile, it might be time to have this same moment of clarity regarding Happy Endings…
It’s simple. We Kill The Nielsen
That’s the correct answer, but since it makes sense it won’t happen.
Community would have to go a long way downhill to get me to stop watching it. I stuck with The Office after Michael Scott left. I admit it. But Jim and Pam, once the highlight of the show, are boring now. Dwight is the same guy he was 8 years ago. It’s all played out. And when they brought in some British chick who suddenly is manager and wacky hijinks ensued, I was fucking done. As long as the Dean isn’t replaced with Roseanne or they add a laugh track, I think Community will be okay. It was of much higher quality than The Office to begin with.
I’m with you buddy on all accounts
Why not move those shows to USA? They can re-work USA, since their shows are pretty network-y. Burn Notice is like a better version of CSI, Suits is a rich man’s LA Law, Royal Pains is pretty House-y, and Psych (which I love) would do great as a network comedy. So why not move USA’s shows to NBC, where they make more sense, and re-work USA to have shows like 30 Rock, Parks, and Community. I’m unsure if stars like Poehler, Fey, and Baldwin would go to cable, but hey it’d be worth a shot.
I love every part of this plan.
House is a relentlessly self-aggrandizing know it all seething with hatred for everyone and everything. Hank is an optimist with a magic bag. Seriously, no matter what’s wrong with someone Hank has the solution *thumps bag* right in there. Nothing alike.
I support everything else, however.
I’d prefer it if the show is cancelled and picked up by [adult swim].
1) Part of why Community doesn’t get better ratings it because its brand of comedy has been described as “weird”. This is the type of humor [adult swim] specializes in. Feature it in a block alongside shows like Childrens Hospital, Eagleheart, Delocated, etc., and it’s right at home.
2) [adult swim] gets incredible ratings at times not known for incredible ratings. 11PM re-runs of Family Guy get 3Mil+ viewers, 12AM Childrens Hospital debuts get over 1Mil viewers, re-runs of the Thundercats reboot that air Saturday Night/Sunday Morning at 1AM hover around 1Mil viewers. [adult swim] can schedule Community where it isn’t against CBS’ comedy block which, although terrible, kills everything else in the ratings
3) [adult swim] has revived numerous programs in the past. Some are like Family Guy and Futurama and get picked up by another network, both of which are huge on their current networks. Others are like Home Movies and The Big O and it’s [adult swim] themselves that commissions more episodes. I wouldn’t mind either of these scenarios happening to Community.
Usually, when I shower in the morning, I’d have some dumb song stuck in my head. This morning, maybe after half-assedly clocking my reflection, i just had the line “You’re the AT&T of people” looping away. I’m okay with this being the last series. It’s given us enough. Just a few more Brie gifs maybe.
Community is $43 fucking dollars on iTunes.
Other Uproxx-approved comedies or shows with a similar # of episodes cost about $30. If NBC wants to figure out what is wrong with their business model, maybe they should start there.
That’s the problem for a lot of industries. Overcharging for products. In the digital age with piracy and all it’s not that we aren’t willing to pay but more that we’re not willing to pay what you greedy bastards are asking. Recording costs have plummeted, Misha Mansor made an album that sounded world class in his fucking bedroom for god sakes. Digital distribution is cheaper than B&M sales and there’s no physical content needed, MP3 sound quality paled in comparison to CD audio but hey…by all means charge the same price for an MP3 album as a CD hell in some cases even charge more!
Preach on brotha!
It goes back even farther than that. The music industry has been overcharging for decades. As I understand it, tapes are cheaper to produce than records, and CD’s are cheaper than tapes. Yet the music industry instantly jacked up the prices on CD’s. Now we have to listen to them cry about piracy (which certainly is a legitimate problem on some levels). It’s hard to feel bad for a drug dealer who gets ripped off though.
Not to be that Tumblr asshole, but man you have to respect British comedies like the IT Crowd who call it quits after a grand total of 18 episodes.
3 Seasons with 22 episodes apiece should be considered a damn long run.
Fetch us some hemlock!
I don’t understand why advertisement can’t become more specialized. Here you have a very specific audience of millions and you know what they like. Just because Walmart figures it’s not the right show to shill their crap too doesn’t mean that Wholefoods, Siracha Sauce, or Apple couldn’t jump on the opportunity to grab the attention of an audience that is pre-disposed to be attracted to their products.
Think of it as a throw back to the days when entire programs were sponsored by one advertiser. Sure it led to some heavy handed product placement, but given the choice between quality shows that don’t have laugh tracks or a strategically placed lap top, why the fuck not?
Advertising rates are based on number of eyeballs, page views, clicks, etc. It doesn’t take into account the quality of the viewership. Well some ‘quality’ is taken into account, the number of people in the 18-49 ‘demo’graphic. Even if you had a show that everyone in the proverbial “1%” watched, you could try to get Whole Foods to pay for advertising, but they won’t because it’s only 3 million people and they would only pay the rate to reach 3 million people. If you had a show that reached the proverbial “47%”, that’s about 150 million people which you could then charge top dollar to Walmart.
Advertisers pay by “reach” or number of people watching, not the net worth of the people watching.
My greatest hope is that NBC cancels Community and [adult swim] picks it back up. It wouldn’t be the first (or second, or third, etc.) show that [adult swim] brought back from the dead.
Don’t think I could agree with this article more. (I’ve totally been saying this stuff for like, years now down in the comments!)
Though I mean, they could keep it going and turn it all shitty and I suppose I wouldn’t care too much. I’ve dropped plenty of shows (The Office, Modern Family, fuckin’ Wilfred) and it ain’t no shit off my dick. They still exist, but just not to me.
I could do without Community, which I’ve watched since the beginning but have (for some reason) never liked as much as I wanted to like. The last season, especially, got way too gimmicky, as other posters have said. Those episodes are like over-the-top characters in that they’re good every once in a while, but you don’t want to make them the star of the show or make every single episode like that. And even then, I don’t find the show to be memorable. There are a lot of shows I enjoy watching more than once, but Community has never been one of them for me, and even with the gimmicks, I don’t find the episodes as memorable. That said, I will be devastated if Parks and Recreation gets cancelled. After my favorite show (Chuck) got cancelled a year ago, the people of Pawnee give me something to look forward to every week. Unlike a lot of other NBC shows, the characters and actors are really likeable, and I don’t think it oozing with heart is such a bad thing. Anyway, if you’re not wanting Community to be cancelled, I’d say keep the hope. With 30 Rock and The Office ending, they have to have something to put in their place, and I can’t imagine them cancelling everything and coming up with a bunch of new shows since new shows are risky. I’m sure the Up All Night reboot will result in its cancellation, and we can only hope they don’t keep crap like Whitney and drop the few quality shows they have left.
Danger’s on a mission to get everyone’s favorite shows cancelled so we forget what he did to Corgi Friday. Never forget.
I knew one day I would have an appropriate use for this Jose Canseco Tweet / Corgi mash up.
I’ll put money on it that there was at least one NBC exec or Chuck Lorre reading that last paragraph and taking notes. Better put your lawyer thong on, Danger.
Why do I feel like the “more heart” means Jeff and Annie are going to bone? And I would like to add: gross.
The strange thing is, Community wouldn’t be in this predicament (Ratings = Might get cancelled) if it was English because us Brits don’t give a damn about ratings that’s why we’re currently on our 400th season of Celebrity Big Brother (Starring a paedophile, a cokehead and a stripper.)
I think by “heart” he means dick jokes.
Yes please, we don’t need any more crap TV and your programming is full of it!
This will hurt the economy; if Obama would do some deregulation we’d have more sources domestically.
For gifs that is.
When will ALF be back on the air?
I mostly agree, but there is one flaw to your argument: Post Michael Scott ‘The Office’ has been pretty damned good! Especially last season, when Catherine Tate was the manager for a few episodes.
It most certainly is not okay. If community is cancelled, there’s a 50-60% chance that I’ll hunt the people responsible for sport. I won’t like it. But it will have to be done.
Community has been and continues to be the show that introduced me into this new sphere of ‘geeky’. i love this comedy, i cant hide it and i wouldn’t love to see its cancellation but everything must end and if it is cancelled it would affect me in some way but if they replace it with a similar show i’d be all in. btw i heard Donald Glover AKA Childish Gambino might be pitching a new sitcom to NBC hopefully its a good show and might be on their new lineup