
Sometimes I'm truly amazed that Fox News actually exists. Like, the things they do are often just so appallingly outrageous that they defy parody, which is why it never surprises me at all when another study reports that the cable news station's viewers are actually more uninformed than people who don't read the news. I've often imagined Joseph Goebbels in hell masturbating feverishly while watching Fox News, screaming, "It's perfect...PERFECT I tell you!" as he watches in stunned, aroused amazement at the brazenness of the propaganda they dole out.
Case in point: last night Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly were discussing spinning the UC Davis pepper spray incident when Kelly casually brushed aside the severity of the whole thing by saying this: "(Pepper spray is) like a derivative of actual pepper. It's a food product, essentially." Yes, just like pizza is a vegetable.
Not to be outdone, O'Reilly stated that cops are always and forever above any and all civilian second-guessing: "I don't think we have the right to Monday-morning quarterback the police," he said. Except, of course, when a cop is boning his wife. In that case, it's totally cool to go into search and destroy mode.
Watch and be astounded, kids...
Of course, the internet will not let such moronic things go unnoticed. Megan Kelly is now a pretty little hate meme, essentially.
In addition to Slacktory calling for her to eat pepper spray, a full-fledged Megan Kelly essentially meme has arisen, and it's glorious...

After the jump are a few of my favorites that have popped up thusfar. Enjoy.
(HT: Gawker. Photoshop at top via Slacktory)














Passive resistance: It’s terrorism, essentially.
Pacifists deserve the boot. She’s smoking hot, so it’s all invalid anyway.
@ SteveG – And, the crazies are always the most fun in the sack. Especially the buttoned-up ones.
Just don’t fall asleep while they’re still in the room. Or give them your real name. Or drink anything they give you.
we’ll do it live…WE’LL DO IT LIVE! F**K IT! I’ll write it and we’ll DO IT LIVE! F***ing thing SUCKS!
“She’s not letting him grab her.”
Oh Megyn Megyn Megyn. Your mom spells like shit.
Wikipedia: “The active ingredient in pepper spray is capsaicin, which is a chemical derived from the fruit of plants in the Capsicum genus, including chilis.” Basically, you are a blogger, meanwhile Megyn Kelly – “Kelly pursued an undergraduate degree in Political Science from Syracuse University and later pursued a J.D. from Albany Law School; she served as an associate editor of the Albany Law Review while enrolled at Albany Law School.”
She is a journalist and lawyer, commenting on the legality of the incident, not condoning it. Mmmmaybe you oughta grow up. But I guess you need a place to vent your anger at Fox news that “seems” legitimate on its surface. Are you a journalist? You should challenge her to a debate on the topic. No? Why not? Perhaps she would kick your @zz.
Pepper spray IS a food product. She also said the video looks bad but that a rush to judgment before all of the facts of the case are found would be inappropriate. Considering her law background and the fact that she was brought on the show to give the viewers a look at the legality of the situation, everything she said was spot on. But it’s cute that insecure liberal bloggers scared of Fox News have to manipulate Megyn Kelly’s statements just because she’s more intelligent and more beautiful than you.
Was another article linked to Yahoo again? I bet these people aren’t even fans of Community. Pffft.
Kraken, I am a fan of the community. I have volunteered with Autism groups, Casa de Espiranza and provided pro bono work for Habitat for Humanity and Pride Parade. I am all about charity, but am very, very opposed to people mooching off society and others. The OWS movement is complete and total garbage. All you need to do is visit owsexposed dot com.
@Steve G,
Hey little Steve I think the smoke is coming from too much friction on the Fox antenna in your pants.
Who cares what withered worn out dildo coffin Megyn thinks?
Hey needsabrew you need a better story. It’s so obvious you’re a fucking TeaChoad it unbelievable. Oh you’re a real Mr. Sensitive. You ignorant shitheel you’re totally transparent. OWS isn’t so hard to figure out unless you need Fox to explain it to you. Does this make your giant hydroencephalitic head throb? Go have sex with your pet you’ll feel better.
@fitley – Story is true. And all of your name calling only demonstrates exactly what is wrong with you and people like you. I’m flattered you devoted more than one sentence to me though. You’re rock! And no, no head throbbing and no water on the brain either. It’s called – checking your sources and knowing the truth.
@fitley – And by the way, I am not directly associated with the Tea Party, but I would much rather be associated with a group that assembles, protests, then goes home after cleaning up after themselves and forms a political caucus to forward their ideas… Rather than this disgusting group of non-showering, raping, drug-taking band of fools taking over parks paid for by tax-payer money while they defecate in public, among other things.
InsideJob dot com
all they are asking is that investment firms are not allowed to use retirement funds that contain people’s life savings into risky debt (conveniently rated AAA, which is supposed to be the least likely to fail) and actually bet money against that same debt so no matter what happens to the country they have a ridiculous amount of borrowed money at their disposal…. so if an investor makes a riskier decision with someone’s retirement, and it works… they get a huge payday, if it turns out wrong (turns out it did several hundred thousand times) then they lose the client’s money that they promised was invested in a AAA investment (except what they do not tell the client is that they are all AAA for the right price, even credit card debt) and the investor does not have to worry because the investment was simultaneously bet against, so the company still gets a payday… and the company gives him a 5 million dollar bonus for being a crappy accountant who lost many blue-collar worker pensions and retirements… yea the protesters smell and are not coherant…. but many of us cannot leave our jobs and responsibilities, or I would….. this country started slipping 30 years ago when Reagan was bought and sold and Alan Greenspan turned into the financial wizard of oz…. I don’t see eye to eye with any OWS’s lifestyle…. but I am pissed at our country and every politician regardless of their party,… they are all bullshitting us so that we cannot see their corrupt motives
actually insidejobfilm dot com
“Hemlock. It’s a house plant, essentially.”
Rather than this disgusting group of non-showering, raping, drug-taking band of fools taking over parks paid for by tax-payer money while they defecate in public, among other things.
Yeah, that’s a Fox News viewer right there. What an amazing stream of bullshit.
Good doggie! Roll over! Play brain dead!
And I love all the trolls bringing up Mygyn’s law background, which is a degree from the powerhouse Albany Law School and a few years at a Bickel & Brewer branch. But Obama, with his Harvard Law School eduction, term as editor of the Harvard Law Review, and time spent teaching con law at U of Chicago? That guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Also, use of pepper spray — even by police — is illegal under California statute except when deadly force needs to be suppressed. Even if you think she’s making a legal argument in saying pepper spray is a food product, she clearly knows dickall about the law.
“Riot batons. Shake weights, essentially.”
That is some good legalese though, Otto. “So sir. According to your statement, you were sitting on the ground when the officer spritzed the food product in your direction?”
Porky, I think Mygyn’s argument is that the protestors were going to grab the sidewalk with their asscheeks and throw it at the policemen.
It makes sense if you don’t really think about it.
“False. True essentially.”
@Otto – Yeah, I know all about Obama’s legal education. I like how he was dead wrong about the Cambridge police, before knowing the facts, saying the police “acted stupidly” and having to follow that with a “beer summit” to smooth it over. I also like how he’s doing everything exactly the way Bush would have done, continuing ALL of his policies, “legal” or not. Drone attacks, Patriot Act, TSA, Guantanamo, etc… Must drive you nuts. You cannot escape the fact that Megyn Kelly was commenting on the legality of the incident, not taking sides or condoning it.
You guys are all soooo desperate. You all think you’re so smart. Legality does not mean to convict, it means to look at ALL of the facts, which is what she did. It means, innocent until proven guilty. News organizations are allowed to talk about the legality of an incident. Knowing Megyn, she will happily respond to all of this silly flap over what she said. I look forward to it.
@katie_im_in_your_bushes – I know, and you make many good points there. I did not say what they protest is wrong, I criticize their methods. Some have said they are similar to the Tea Party, however, the Tea Party has never been violent. No one has ever died. They never stay for more than one day and they never leave trash behind. They also happen to love their country and carry American flags with them. They also do not agree with what’s going on, but they caucus to put forward candidates to run for Congress. They do NOT try to occupy tax-payer funded property and defecate in public and/or RAPE anyone. They certainly do not attack police.
It is not the protest itself, it is the totally shameful way they protest. Big difference.
@ The Cajun Boy – I just read over your comments again. Here’s a little truth about Joseph Goebbels. I agree with you that he’s in Hell, but that’s the only thing I agree with you about. You see, Goebbels was a SOCIALIST. In fact Nazi is an abbreviation for “NAtionalsoZIalismus” or National Socialist Party in Germany. From Wikipedia – (The section labelled “Nazi activist”) “Goebbels took the ‘socialist’ component of National Socialism far more seriously than did Hitler”. So next time, remember which side the Nazis were on.
Funny, when you look at history, how Fascism was also based on Socialism. “Fascii” means – many bound together as one. If you read history, you will note how Socialism has always lead to dictatorship and runaway government power where often millions of people were killed for no good reason. You never see people trying to escape on a raft to Cuba, it’s always people fleeing oppression to seek freedom. The “Right” in America believes in our Constitution, not government control. Those damn right-wingers are always against Socialism, eh? ….. Learn the truth.
You know what the problem with politics is? Very, very few outlets can make it funny. All that comes to mind is the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. Lame post, lame comments. Sorry.
By the way, if OWS sympathizers would quit painting conservatives with the same brush as King Asshole Bill O’Reilly, and just focus on the crimes of BOA, Citi, etc., they might find themselves some needed allies from traditional conservative opponents. Most conservatives are being propagandized by Fox News, yes. But OWS doesn’t have to be a “Liberals Only” movement, and it’s indeed in danger of becoming another mindless voting bloc with no power to enact reform, just like the Tea Party before it. But, whatever. No one gets the point, the banks win, and you just read a boring comment.
Wow only two conservatives here, that’s pretty good.
Secretary Not Sure, watch Bill Maher, he’s a thousand times funnier than Stewart and Colbert.
As far as OWS being a liberals only movement? Ehh, I disagree. There’s plenty of vets and other groups that are traditionally conservative that are associated with the movement. Obviously most of the ones that are there to stay and are willing to be inconvenienced by this are the guys who back the movement completely, which are typically the big Liberals…or the ones that have no where else to be. Of the later group there’s probably a fair share of moderates who are fed up, and aren’t big fans of Skank of America or Shitigroup. Guys who got laid off, vets that can’t find work, folks like that. I think the idea that it’s just a bunch of hippies is pretty overblown.
Painting all conservatives with the same brush as Bill O’Reilly? Look, all conservatives may not be as big of assholes as he is and they probably don’t all have the same cognitive dissonance that he exhibits on a nightly basis, but he seems like a pretty mainstream figure in the Republican party. The conservatives did this to themselves. The healthcare bill that was passed was something that they suggested in the 90s. Cap and trade? That was HW Bush’s policy. The tax plan that Obama’s proposing heavily mirrors Milton Friedman’s. So that bloc of the political spectrum did this to themselves. Jon Huntsman can’t gain any traction with that group but Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum can. Mitt Romney’s been running for president for five years and hasn’t managed to crack 25% in the polls. There’s hardly any intellectuals left in that party, and instead they’ve been replaced with Mark Levin, Bill O’Reilly, and Sean Hannity. The thing close to intellectuals they have left are George Will and David Frum, they basically kicked David Frum out of the party and Will’s struggling to keep that group happy.
Otto, I won’t denigrate Megyn’s legal education, but instead I’d say that she’s shown to be able to sell out any principle that you’d expect a person to have just to keep her bosses happy. I’m sure she’ll forget her legal education and all the lessons learned if it gets her Greta’s job.
@ Omar – Maybe you guys should stop picking on Republicans, Bush and Megyn Kelly and start criticizing your own party and the equally corrupt and stupid politicians you have elected into office.
You’re steeped in the “cognitive dissonance” of Bill Maher, Stewart, Colbert, and probably many other brainwashing Liberals, so much so, you can’t even hear the conflict in your own words. You name guys like OReilly and Hannity as brain-washers while, a moment before, recommending Bill Maher- one of the worst brain-washers on the Left. Get real! You’re proud you listen to this guy? Sad.
The way you talk about how “they did it to themselves” or how “Jon Huntsman can’t gain any traction” but others can, is really strange. If only Conservatives put forward the candidate Liberals would like, then they wouldn’t trip themselves up?… Uh… What? Don’t talk like an expert on the Republican candidates, please. Oh, and nothing like this healthcare bill was ever proposed by Conservatives in the 90s, OR by any political party in history prior to Pelosi/Reid/Obama. I do not know where you get that from. The closest thing to it, ever attempted, was Hillary Clinton (as first lady) in 1993 and Bill Clinton took a bath in the midterm elections in ’94 and that was scrapped, totally. But even that Health Care Legislation did not include a Federal MANDATE. Let me guess, did Bill Maher give you this idea? It’s so funny because Liberals want FREE healthcare for everybody but what they got was was a Federal Mandate for EVERY single American to pay for it. Hilarious.
And Obama’s OWN TAX increases were rejected when his OWN PARTY had super majorities in both houses of Congress… And, Obama’s own budget was rejected by the (liberal majority) Senate by a vote of 0-97. Not 1 Democrat voted for Obama’s budget, steeped with Tax increases that resembled NOTHING that anyone would vote for. So, this Milton Friedman comparison? Whatever dude. Wishful thinking.
@ Omar – For the record, I’m a Libertarian and there are many issues I do NOT agree with Republicans on. However, IF the Constitution had been followed since the Community Reinvestment Act was passed, all along, then none of this would have happened. Sub-prime mortgages, Mortgage Backed Securities, immoral banking practices, manipulation of free markets, manipulating interest rates, the corruption of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, would have been STOPPED if the Constitution had been followed ALL along. None of it would have happened if politicians did not manipulate and spread corrupt banking practices in the first place. That means Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and all the current politicians behind it, who get off with no blame at all, are responsible. Career politicians man. They need to be voted out.
So, you want to fix it… how? Occupy Wall Street?? Nooo… You VOTE OUT the politicians (on the Left and Right) who created this mess! Occupiers should be protesting Washington, where all of this originated. Wall Street was the largest campaign contributor to Obama, just thought I’d mention it.
You say the right has no intellectuals left, meanwhile, Obama has pushed the country well beyond clusterfark. He’s got… who? Axelrod? Daly? Rahm? The whole Chicago think-tank? Every economic adviser he has named has stepped down. Romer, Summers, Orszag and Goolsbee, all gone. He dismissed his own economic council – Simpson/Bowles… He has run up more debt, in just under 3 years, than Bush did in 8 years… AND he only pushes higher taxes, higher regulation and he is happy to conduct Class Warfare (all killing the economy), and yet…. he’s the intellectual genius, right?… despite having super majorities in both houses of Congress in his first 2 years in office, he still couldn’t get it done.
People believed all of Obama’s BS and promises and he has not lived up to any of them, NOR has he put the country on a path to prosperity. Quite the contrary. And yet the media still props him up and liberals will not question. It’s a Cult of Personality. Obama and Democrats ARE part of the problem folks.
Needsabrew? Jesus Christ. More like Needsalife.
People believed all of Obama’s BS and promises and he has not lived up to any of them, NOR has he put the country on a path to prosperity. Quite the contrary.
Quite the contrary? What alternate universe do you live in?
When Obama took office, the economy was shedding jobs at a rate of 800,000 a month. His policies stopped the freefall and turned it around so that we were showing a monthly gain in jobs (private sector jobs, mind you) by the following spring. There was a net total of 1.1 million jobs created in the entire eight years of the Bush administration, but during the height of the stimulus package, in 2010 alone, Obama oversaw a net total of 1.3 million jobs created.
The stimulus package — which you apparently believe was a disaster — has been ranked by every reputable economist (including the conservative thinktank AEI and McCain’s chief economist Mark Zandi) and the nonpartisan CBO as a significant stabilizer on the economy. Bush left us with negative growth in real GDP in five of the last six quarters of his tenure, but Obama has now presided over nine straight quarters of positive growth in real GDP. The stock market went up 40% during the same time.
You think there’s a bizarre cult that sees Obama in a light that doesn’t represent reality? You’re right, there is — and it’s you. When EVERY single economic metric says that Obama has done a better job of the economy than Bush and you still claim, with a straight face, that Obama has made things worse, then there’s only one conclusion — you’re batshit crazy.
With Republicans, we had eight years of bubble economics, with the largest and third largest tax cuts, Iraq, Afghanistan, Medicare Part D, and No Child Left Behind all piled onto our national debt (and here’s another fact for you: 86% of the current debt came from the Bush years) and the end result was the worst economic crisis since 1929.
I’m sorry Democrats haven’t cleaned up your mess quickly enough for you. But you all shit the bed with disastrous complications, and we’ve had our hands full.
@Otto Man – Awesome…. you accuse me of being delusional, or whatever. Obama has lead the way in economic growth? What growth? Where? In China? There has been steady 9% unemployment the entire time he’s been in office, and any growth in GDP has been anemic, followed by another quarter of negative growth. Gold prices have sky-rocketed and the dollar is diminishing. WE HAVE BEEN DOWNGRADED in our credit rating for the FIRST time in history. Oh you are so wrong:
This chart demostrates that Obama’s anemic GDP by quarter-
www(dot)data360(dot)org/dsg(dot)aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=354
An article from the AIER (American Institute for Economic Research) -
www(dot)aier(dot)org/research/briefs/2453-how-debt-drove-the-great-recession-by-polina-vlasenko
Obama’s policies mirror FDR. Here’s an article about how that worked out -
newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409(dot)aspx
This is fun dude!! All you have to do is google “Obama policies failure” and look at all the results you get!
www(dot)newsmax(dot)com/Headline/obama-unemployment-jobs-down/2011/09/02/id/409588
Check this out-
www(dot)usgovernmentspending(dot)com/federal_deficit_chart(dot)html
I can go on and on… You cannot escape the reality of Obama’s total bumbling of the economy. All you have to do is look around you, but you suck-up whatever liberal spin is fed to you. Open your eyes, dude.
ALL I’M SAYING IS- if you’re going to criticize, don’t stop with Republicans. LOOK, dude, open your EYES to what both parties are doing. Don’t believe the hype.
The origanl TARP bail-outs are what stablized banks and the markets to prevent a worse crash. We did NOT need any further government stimulus after that, but Obama spent $1,000,000,000,000 in tax-payer money anyway… on WHAT?… Where did all the money go, Cheif??? Isn’t that why protesters are Occupying Wall Street? Isn’t it because the banks and Wall Street got all the bail-out and stimulus candy from Obama and Main Street got nothing?
We have now reached 100% Debt to GDP. There is NO economist (besides Paul Krugman) who will defend this. If this continues, we’ll be Greece. Their government is collapsing under 120% debt to GDP. You have no argument here. Furthermore, it looks like Obama will have to raise the debt ceiling AGAIN ahead of the 2012 election. OUCH! (Google it!)
@Otto Man – I’m so impressed with how the left is the first to accuse others of being brain-washed while being total/complete victims of it themselves. You have to sift through the dis-information for the truth, man. I have turned on many, many Republicans guilty of bad economics/policy. Why don’t you criticize your own party? You are only hearing what you want to hear while TOTALLY ignoring what is going on. You say things like – “every” single economic metric shows Obama has done a better job, yada yada yada and every single economist has approved of the Stimulus, etc, etc, etc… DUDE! Get real. Which LEFTIST website did you copy this total brain-washing crap from?
What brought down the economy was a bubble in the banking/financial/housing Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disaster placed upon Americans by DEMOCRATS who pressured banks to set aside logical banking practices to issue sub-prime mortgages. The government (politicians like Barney Frank) told banks to go ahead and issue these bad mortgages (to people who could not afford them in the first place), and said, “don’t worry, keep giving out these mortgages, Fannie and Freddie will buy the mortgages from you”.
So the banks went nuts (under Bush) issuing bad mortgages, left and right. Fannie and Freddie then bought these mortgages and packaged them into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and spread these bad investments accross ALL of the financial spectrum including banks, wall street, investors, insurance companies and even foriegn countries. These were supposed to be the safest investments in the world, but they were worth ZERO. The value was based on mortgages that began to foreclose across the country because people, who should have never been approved for the mortgage in the first place, could not make the payments.
86% of National debt from Bush? Based on what metric?? The TOTAL debt is $15 Trillion. Bush contributed $4 Trillion in 8 years, Obama has contributed $4 Trillion in 3 years!!! If you take Obama’s $4 Trillion out of the equation, the national deficit went from $7 Trillion to $11 Trillion under Bush. That’s about a 38% increase, NOT 86%. Simple math dude.
Needsabrew, were you ever diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder?
What brought down the economy was a bubble in the banking/financial/housing Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disaster placed upon Americans by DEMOCRATS who pressured banks to set aside logical banking practices to issue sub-prime mortgages.
No, that’s a right-wing lie, one that even the Bush administration’s own officials have dismissed as bullshit. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were NOT involved in subprime loans, and the fact that you peddle that stupidity here is just further proof of the post’s original premise that Fox News viewers like yourself are fucking idiots.
Read this:
[www.businessweek.com]
You say things like – “every” single economic metric shows Obama has done a better job, yada yada yada and every single economist has approved of the Stimulus, etc, etc, etc… DUDE! Get real. Which LEFTIST website did you copy this total brain-washing crap from?
From a variety of sources, here collected in the New York Times. They cite studies by IHS Global Insight, Moody’s, and the CBO.
[www.nytimes.com]
And here’s the assessment of the stimulus from the conservative thinktank AEI:
[www.tnr.com]
86% of National debt from Bush? Based on what metric??
Typed that one too fast. Bush increased our national debt by 86% during his term in office.
Here’s a handy chart that even you should be able to understand when it comes to assessing blame for the deficit.
[www.cbpp.org]
As you can see, Republicans put trillions of dollars in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, new Medicare giveaways, and NCLB on the national debt, and then destroyed our revenue stream by slashing taxes for the rich.
Again, needsabrew, those are all citations from actual authorities, drawn from all across the political spectrum.
And in rebuttal, you offer … dickall. Nothing. Zip.
Nice work, champ. Feel free to keep posting here, but it’s clear you’re a fucking dimwit who doesn’t know anything except the lies that Fox News and your precious Mygyn Kylly spoonfeed to you, so I’m not going to bother coming back.
Rather than this disgusting group of non-showering, raping, drug-taking band of fools taking over parks paid for by tax-payer money while they defecate in public, among other things.
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The violence by the OWS crowd, while largely unreported, is a sad indictment.
Our economy is in the crapper. The current administration and congress have contributed the same amount to the national debt in three years as Bush and his crowd in eight. Unemployment remains over 9%. (Keynesian Economics at its worst)
The election of Obama was supposed to make people “like” us. Such infantile thinking. Instead we allowed Egypt to go from somewhat ally to a country where the Muslim Brotherhood is going to exert significant power. (Obama’s Iran)
We helped fight a war in Libya for EUROPEAN oil. (Obama’s Balkans) We assassinate American citizens without a trial.(No equivalent)
These aren’t “Fox News Talking Points” they’re facts.
@Otto Man – By the way, I do have a life, so I can’t respond in full right now, oh but I will, so check back. But you know what? Your insults get you nowhere. In case you hadn’t noticed, I have not insulted you, not once. You must be 15 years old or something. So you found ONE article that says Fannie and Freddie were victims????? I’m going to see just how many articles I can find that state the opposite and support what I told you. But you can google that too, you know, you don’t need me to do it. You can always find one shill for the left, especially the New York Times. I’ll find more evidence for you on the failed Stimulus, as well. I mean please, in your own words, can you tell me what the Stimulus actually did? Remember, they said if the Stimulus was not passed, unemployment would go over 8 %, and not only did it top that, but it has remained over 9%. And NO ONE, not ANYONE can trace what happened to that money. Where did it go? Enlighten me. The most accountable and transparent Congress ever??? pfpfppfpfpfffff, sure Nancy.
Again, my point was not to be a total shill for one side. If you do your research, you will find that the TOTAL spending for BOTH wars was $1.7 Trillion in Bush’s term, from 2002-2008. And YES, there is cause to be upset about that. HOWEVER, Obama has spent almost that much per YEAR. He will have spent nearly $6 Trillion in his one and only term. Meanwhile, Obama WENT TO WAR without Congress, in Egypt. Doesn’t THAT piss you off? It should!! What if Bush wen to war without Congress? The Left would be HOWLING with anger…. But Obama? … Nothing from the Left…
You are only seeking opinions to reinforce your point of view. You can be a total Liberal, Socialist, whatever, but you have to realize when you’re party is just plain wrong. Otherwise, you are just carrying the water for politicians who don’t care about you. Stalin had a term for people like that, if you know your history, you know what I mean. Yeah, he was another one of those Socialists… Stay tuned.
@Otto Man – Real quick, do your math, tell me what the percentage increase to the deficit $4 Trillion is in 3 years… from $11T to $15T …
Needsabrew’s had way too many. Look, I said I like Bill Maher, he’s hilarious. He’s brilliant too, I know that bothers you because since you claim to be a libertarian, he points out that the libertarian’s allegiance to Fox News or the Republican Party is utter bullshit.
I don’t think I ever called Bill O or Hannity a brainwasher, I’d never give them such credit. They have a very uneducated audience that their sort of fake outrage and righteous anger appeals to. Furthermore, they couch it in this “I’m just telling like it is,” bullshit and present themselves like they’re an everyman and poke fun at “elites.” Fox News has the slowest crawl on cable news and their audience is frequently cited as the most misinformed. In fact, there was a study that suggested that their audience is more misinformed than people who don’t even watch the news. That’s not brainwashing, that’s just fooling idiots or appealing to people who already think the way you do.
Why do I think the Republicans should nominate Huntsman? Well because him and Mitt Romney are the only two that eat with a knife and fork, but unlike Romney he doesn’t have that John Kerry-esque flipflopping nor does he have that John Edwards unlikable elite factor going for him. Hell, I think they SHOULD nominate Huntsman…I’d kill for Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Paul, or Gingrich, though. Obama would barely have to campaign, just run commercials filled with stupid shit those clowns say.
You honestly didn’t know that Bob Dole and Gingrich and the Contract on America crowd thought up the individual mandate first? Really? Are you lying or are you just that big of a fucking idiot? It was a point of controversy in the debates, Mitt Romney told Newt Gingrich that he got the idea of the individual mandate from him Newt got sand in his massive vagina and said he got it from the Heritage Foundation. Here:
[www.forbes.com]
Yeah Bill Maher totally gave me that idea, idiot. Do me a favor and email me a picture of that stupid fucking dejected look on your face that I know you have right now.
Obama’s tax rates are right where Friedman originally suggested. Explain how they’re drastically different?
On to your second, yet not quite as stupid post, the Democrats did NOT encourage banks to hand out subprime mortgages. The Republicans did under Bush, that was one of Bush’s goal to have 90% of Americans to own their own homes. Nice idea, very unrealistic. Get your facts straight. You are just so full of shit, you mention Dodd, Frank, and Pelosi; yet fail to mention Orin Hatch, Mitch McConnell, Boehner, Ron Paul, and other “career politicians.”
You’re honestly looking for intellectuals on the left? Bill Maher, who you just mentioned, bright guy…doesn’t use this “I’m a dumbass just like you” bullshit like Beck, O’Reilly, and Hannity use. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, while obnoxious at times, use their intellect to make their arguments not loudness or hyperbole. They’re a lot closer to WFB than any conservative pundit you can name.
There’s also Obama himself, you know? The guy that was THE EDITOR OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW, that guy? Jesus Christ. And go ahead and act like Hilary, Bill, Pelosi, and Warren aren’t bright people. Please. On the one hand you have Rick “I can’t remember all three departments of government I want to cut” Perry, and on the other you have a Harvard Law professor…gee, I wonder which side is smarter?!?!?! Shit head.
I got two things from this. Ottoman is mad. Secretary Not Sure is right.
As to the other issue, Bill Maher is a douche. He may be right from time to time (see religion), but he’s still a douche and he’s rarely funny.
The Megan Kelly meme is great, but not because of Megan Kelly. It’s because all lawyers pull this crap. Anyone remember, it depends on your definition of the word ‘is’?
Needsabrew- Do you just search the internet all day for people talking shit about Fox News so you can jump in and defend them? Is that really your life?
I think it’s funny when republicans say “Liberals always…” and then liberals say “Republicans always…” and it’s the same thing.
This week in the pot calling the kettle black, Needsabrew’s last post: “So you found ONE article that says Fannie and Freddie were victims????? I’m going to see just how many articles I can find that state the opposite and support what I told you.”
and then: “You [Otto Man] are only seeking opinions to reinforce your point of view.”
This is not exactly discourse, Needsabrew. If it pleases you to continue to restate your thesis then that’s fine, but if you want to convince others of the liberal lies you keep alluding to then you need to come here with something else. Discrediting a poster’s views because he or she has offered invective along with legitimate sources to back up their opinion (drawn from across the political spectrum) is hardly a point worth making on the internet. Everyone is granted the power of anonymity and we all feel big in the britches because we can call people out without fear of substantive real life retribution. Otto Man did that AND made good on his promise to deliver decent sources to support his point. How does that discredit him? And while you may not have insulted anyone, all of your posts are incredibly aggressive in tone and, again, do not come anywhere close to something I would consider discourse, which seems to be what you are trying to do (is it?). Otto Man offered A LOT and you still have done nothing but restate your position in different ways. It’s an internet pissing contest so this can’t and shouldn’t go on forever but…do you have anything else?
Agree with OWS or not, MULTIPLE other videos have shown that the protesters at UC Davis were REPEATEDLY asked to leave and refused to do so. I don’t wan’t people getting pepper sprayed, but this article is nothing more than FOX News hate combined with the typical ignorance of those who are reporting on what FOX has said, Kelly did NOT like that the kids got sprayed, but under the circumstances, said the cops had the right to do so with the protesters refusing to leave.
@Otto Man – When Obama was pushing the stimulus, he said….,
Then you get the argument, “well this is not a stimulus bill, this is a spending bill.” Whaddya think a stimulus is? (Laughter.) That’s the whole point. No, seriously. (Laughter.) That’s the point. (Applause.)
[www.youtube.com]
So spending $2 Trillion in two years stimulates an economy, but spending $2 Trillion over six years ruins one?
Source (CBO): [cbo.gov]
Here’s a few charts:
[en.wikipedia.org]
[en.wikipedia.org]
[en.wikipedia.org]
Read ‘em and weep……………..
Economists who say Stimulus a failure:
[www.cato.org]
[www.telegraph.co.uk]
[www.cato-at-liberty.org]
[www.washingtonpost.com]
[johnbtaylorsblog.blogspot.com]
[blogs.reuters.com]
[www.cbsnews.com]
[money.cnn.com]
[www.mcclatchydc.com]
[www.nationalreview.com]
CBO Director admits a reduction in economy with Stimulus: [www.youtube.com] (and it just gets worse and worse, if nothing pays for the Stimulus, says Elmendorf)
…. and that’s really not digging very deep.
Iraq & Afghanistan vs. Deficit spending:
[www.americanthinker.com]
[articles.businessinsider.com]
[www.cdobs.com]
Fannie & Freddie:
[www.youtube.com]
[www.mtgprofessor.com]
So, what I said about this is a lie? Wikipedia is a lie???
[en.wikipedia.org]
[en.wikipedia.org]
Here is BILL CLINTON saying Democrats would not work with him and with Republicans to get Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under control.
[www.youtube.com]
Conclusion: The U.S. Congress is Largely to Blame
[www.investopedia.com]
I’ll check back tomorrow. There is more, by the way. Have fun.
@Otto Man, @Omar, @De Selby
I have been attempting to post since last night, but my comments are being filtered.
If you want my reply go here:
needsabrew.blogspot.com
@Larry Dickman – No, I just like messing with guys like you. I have a degree, and a job, and a life, with a great wife and kids and I’m living the American dream. You?
@De Selby- So, I may say things in ways you don’t like. Tough. I am not flaming anyone or hurling insults and anyone who posts here. And it looks like they finally posted my comment, so there’s my reply, which you must have thought I did not intend to give. Note that they link one article. I’ve given you plenty to chew on for quite awhile and I actually stopped short. I could have given you much, much, much, much more.
@Omar, thanks for the rudeness, yet again.
Would you like me to post ALL OF THE INFORMATION about the individual mandate? It comes in the form of a $2500 tax that every individual will have to pay if they do not already have insurance. It’s just another form of single-payer. The look on my face? LOL
For the record, I have not endorsed a single candidate here, nor do I intend to, so I don’t really care what you have to say about them.
AAAANNNND FINALLY, yes, Democrats most certainly helped create the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac disaster. In particular, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters and the list goes on… It’s on Youtube, the link is above in the previous post, or on the blog.
Here’s a link to the COMPREHENSIVE list of TAX increases in Obamacare:
[www.atr.org]
It’s all sourced.
By the way, I am pretty busy with work, so I can’t post as much. I was able to post a lot over the Thanksgiving weekend, but I won’t be nearly as available now. However, I will check back from time to time. I just stopped by to comment on Megyn, then BAM, all this came up. Oh well, it’s been… interesting. Last, I applaud those of you doing your research. That’s more than most people can say.
Yes, I too have a degree and a job. Didn’t realize the “American Dream” was trolling pop culture blogs to start arguments… I kinda got out of that phase when I reached my mid 20′s. Seems like you could be spending that time with your wife and kids, but hey, who am I to judge? If anonymously starting fights on the internet makes you feel good about yourself (and from your repeatedly condescending tone, clearly it gives you quite the ego boost), go for it.
needsabrew
@Larry Dickman – No, I just like messing with guys like you. I have a degree, and a job, and a life, with a great wife and kids and I’m living the American dream. You?
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Pics or it never happened.
@needsabrew, just a quick clarifier–so you can say things the way you like with a clear edge and aggressive tone and it’s “tough” for anyone who finds fault with it but insults are out of bounds and render one’s comments useless to you? Please help me understand how you’re not equivocating here.
In regards to what you’ve posted, well done. That’s much better than just restating your point without substantial evidence. also Otto did not just post one link as you suggest. He has more than a few posts with links to decent sources. With what both of you have posted I think a neutral could come away with a the understanding that both political parties have battered and abused America’s trust for some time. Does it really matters to you that Democrats are “more in the wrong”? No party is blameless here and trying to force one side to shoulder more blame than the other seems pointless to me.
Yeah, sure…….and the Faux (Fox) channel is “real” news, essentially! It’s all just infotainment, folks.
@ Larry- I didn’t start fights. You did. And I just spent plenty of quality time with the kids. They’re in bed now, so here I am. And I’m not picking fights, I’m debunking loads of crapola.
@ Luthor- I could post a pic, but how would you know it’s me? Trust me
@ De Selby- PLENTY of harsh things have been said. Just READ the author of this very same post, from the Cajun Boy. This is a nasty aggressive post, which is WHY I posted on this dumb string in the first place. And almost every comment has been aggressive, but I can blow that off, no problem. And, yeah i can dish it out. Only pointing out how childish the name-calling is. As you say, it does not “contribute to the discussion”
And regarding you second paragraph– THAAAAAANKK YYYOUUUUUUU!!!!!
Yes, now you get it!!! No party is blameless, and it goes to the heart of the problem== WASHINGTON. Life-long, career politicians (Barney Frank, since 1980) who change when they go to Washington and “drink the water from the Potomac River”. They lie and they only care about their campaign contributors and play politics for re-elections and spend our tax dollars down the freakin’ tubes and give out perks for their contributors (Solindra) and spending projects for their constituents in their districts (earmarks).
Unfortunately, (and everyone will say this is a lie) what I can’t understand is that Liberal Democrats want more central power given to the government…. WHY? Why would you want to put a few hundred people in Congress and one man in the White House in charge of 350 million Americans? Why would you want to Centralize and Socialize everything? It only gives power to the few!!! If you live free, then you control your own destiny, and unfortunately, that also means you also have to be responsible for you and your own. Individual responsibility. And yes, before you ask, we also take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. Children, the Elderly, those unable to work, but if you can GET OFF your ass, then you need to work. HOWEVER, our programs are disintegrating because of the very same politicians who jack with them. Obama has had a GOLDEN opportunity to reform Social Security and Medicare and he has NOT done it. What has he done? He’s played more golf that Bush, I can assure you. I just want people to open their eyes about the guy. Politicians ARE the problem. There ARE a few good ones, but there needs to be term limits, unfortunately.
The constitution was SPECIFICALLY designed to LIMIT the power of politicians because of EXACTLY what you are talking about. It is why I am a Libertarian. It means your life and your way are your own, not mandates from Washington, not hand-outs that train people to become dependent. Not dependence – INdependence. Not food stamps and welfare and 99 weeks of unemployment, but FREE markets, opportunity, competition, supply & demand. And NO, they are not perfect, but I’m reminded of a quote by Benjamin Franklin “Democracy is a horrible form of government… Until you consider ever other form of government.” The point of that is – What we have is not pretty, but if it runs the way it SHOULD, without all this corruption in Washington, our society thrives. Yes, there will be ebbs and flows, successes and failures, but that’s the very nature of life and we all have to toughen-up and not expect someone else to pay our way.
“She’s right! It’s made from pepper plants!”
So what? The point isn’t that she’s wrong. It’s that she reduced something that’s used as a weapon to a food fight.
Seriously? Nobody else noticed that “needsabrew” referred to “Community” as “the community”? What is happening here?!?!
No needsabrew, you’re the guy starting fights. As Beerad points out, you didn’t even realize that by “Community”, Kraken meant the TV show, hence the capitulation. If you visited this site AT ALL you’d have known that. But you don’t. You’re not part of our little internet community (see the lowercase?), you’re an outsider who read something he didn’t like and decided to start an argument over it, and be incredibly condescending to anyone who disagrees. Sure, it’s not just you, but you were the first. Right off the bat your posts do nothing but belittle Cajun Boy. People took that personally, because we know Cajun Boy- he’s a friend here. Do you know Meygan Kelly? Why do you feel a need to defend her?
Everything you’ve posted from the start has been slathered in A HUGE AMMOUNT of arrogance; you’re just as insulting as people using name calling if not more so. The fact that you can’t see that is… well, pretty expected, because people like you never do. You’re too blinded by “us vs them” you can’t see anything else. People like you, on both sides of the isle, are everything that’s wrong with this country. I pity your probably non existent wife and children.
@Beerad yeah what the hell is “The Community”? Alison Brie or fuck outta here.
Jesus Christ, needsabrew, you are the saddest person on the entire internet.
I think my favorite part was when you had a comment with thirty links get caught in moderation and, being a right-wing crybaby, immediately decided you were being censored.
And the array of links you posted? It would’ve been nice if you’d actually read them. The first link you cited as proof that economists don’t think the stimulus worked was (1) organized by the right-wing Cato Institute and, even better, (2) published in January 2009, before the stimulus was even passed into law. That’s your proof that the stimulus didn’t work? Predictions made before it was even passed?
The second is an op-ed piece in a conservative British newspaper that describes the belief that economic stimulus doesn’t work — in general, not Obama’s, mind you — is “breaking with current economic orthodoxy.” In other words, the vast majority of economists believe government stimulus works, and the whole point of the article was, hey, here’s an oddball who breaks with the overwhelming consensus. You’ve proved my point here, not yours.
Your third piece is a blog post at Cato Institute — again, an odd choice for someone who claimed my nonpartisan sources were all biased — that reports that Mark Zandi is a Democrat. Wow, that proves … something?
Your fourth citation is a piece by Martin Feldstein, who is again not an impartial observer, as a former Reagan administration official. But even better, you’ve once again produced an op-ed piece written before the stimulus was even passed in an argument over whether it did any good in the years after it was passed.
Your fifth citation is an actual economist who is actually writing after the stimulus package was passed. Hooray! You did it, big boy! And what does he say? Let’s see … He thinks the positive growth we had after the stimulus would’ve happened even without it. Yeah, that’s a rousing indictment of how the stimulus made things worse.
The sixth is another conservative columnist who has to admit “Obama is correct, to a degree. The economy is growing (slowly) now and adding jobs (modestly) whereas neither was happening back in early 2009.” Again, not proof of the point you’re pissing your pants trying to make.
Your seventh citation is another post of predictions from April 2009, as the very first stimulus funds were being rolled out. Maybe I need someone to read this to you slowly: PREDICTIONS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ARE NOT THE SAME THING AS EVALUATIONS OF WHAT DID HAPPEN IN THE PAST. See if an adult can help you with that. Maybe they can explain it to you with puppets.
Your eighth is an article whose evidence are an internal poll of 68 members of the Chamber of Commerce-backed NABE, asking them whether their own company has directly benefited from the stimulus. Wow, that’s scientific. Why didn’t they just poll corporate bundlers for Mitt Romney?
Your ninth is … another article from early 2009 wondering what will happen when the stimulus is enacted. Christ, are you retarded? I mean, clinically diagnosed with some sort of learning disability? Because I’d feel bad arguing with someone with actual mental retardation.
Your tenth citation is a hit piece from National Review six months into the stimulus. Double fail!
Your last one is an out of context quotation by Doug Elmendorf of the CBO. It’s adorable that you’ve repeatedly waved away the formal, official findings of the CBO that the stimulus definitely helped the economy, but you’re wrapping your arms around this soundbite which says only that maintaining the current level of stimulus spending — which NO ONE is advocating, aside from Jeff Sessions — would be bad for the economy. Well, duh.
Nice work, champ. Seriously, this may be the single greatest face-plant in the history of arguing. Just because your Google search for “stimulus + failure” generated some actual links, that doesn’t mean you’ve proved your case. Next time, try reading the pieces that Google finds for you rather than just barfing them up here for the rest of us to laugh at.
“Your ninth is … another article from early 2009 wondering what will happen when the stimulus is enacted. Christ, are you retarded? I mean, clinically diagnosed with some sort of learning disability? Because I’d feel bad arguing with someone with actual mental retardation.”
OMFG Otto, you literally made me laugh out loud at work.. now everyone thinks I have some mental problem.
Christ, somebody please close that bold tag for me.
Jesus Otto. Great job. Unfortunately it only makes you the tallest man on Pygmy Island.
But I enjoyed reading it nontheless.
@needsabrew; please go back to commenting on YouTube and Fox stories rather than humor sites.; I think it would be better for everyone involved.
Just so you know needsabrew, you need to be able to do more than construct nice sentences to argue convincingly. You need to have a well-articulated thought followed by research that supports it. That is kind of the cornerstone of academic discourse and since you can’t do it, stop trying to sound like an academic. I am stupid so I don’t bother and just watch porn on my computer all day.
@beerad, @kraken +1
When I site references from now on I’ll be using:
[conservapedia.com]
The trustful encyclopedia.
The author, The Cajun Boy: He’s an idiot, essentially.
First, “meme” isn’t even a word. Don’t create one.
[i.imgur.com]
@alan290- First, yes, meme is a word, and its history goes back to ancient Greece. [en.wikipedia.org]
Second, if you’re going to say “first” before your point, you kinda need to have a second point to make as well. If you only have one thing, there’s no point in numbering that thing.
Larry,
First, I do not speak Greek. It is not an English word.
Secondly, The term meme, as described in your definition in Wikipedia does not work in describing Megyn Kelly.
Thirdly, I was going to make more points about the Cajun Boy’s stupid article, but did not.
Wow, the crazies and the trolls really showed up for this one, huh? Otto Man, nice work. It’s probably futile, but nice work.
Well getting back to one of the early points, as my chem grad student friend will tell you, capsaicin is a nasty chemical in high concentration, regardless of the fact it’s derived from a plant ([en.wikipedia.org]). So yeah, Megyn is wrong and an idiot as all of us with two synapses to rub together already knew. I will sleep easy tonight.