
When “Community” was picked up for a fourth season last week, one of the few storm clouds on that otherwise bright, sunshine-y day was the fact that a deal had not yet been reached with showrunner Dan Harmon. There was speculation at the time, and a pretty ominous sounding quote from NBC bigwig Bob Greenblatt, that indicated he may not be brought back. Well, now it’s official: Dan Harmon is out as showrunner, and will be replaced by a team previously unaffiliated with the show.
Dan Harmon will not be returning as showrunner of NBC’s “Community,” and whether he’ll remain involved at all with the series he created at remains very much in doubt. Sony Pictures Television, which produces the series with Universal Television, has closed a deal with “Happy Endings” writers David Guarascio and Moses Port to join “Community” as showrunners and exec producers. The deal comes less than a week after Vulture broke the news that Harmon hadn’t been signed on for season four and that no negotiations between him and Sony had taken place. Vulture hears that now that Sony made its deal with Guarascio and Port, it plans to ask Harmon to remain involved as a writer and consultant — but not as the person in charge of the show. [Vulture]
There you go. Harmon’s exit comes on the heels of executive producers Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan leaving the show, and late last night as this was all shaking down, longtime writer Chris McKenna also announced he would not be returning. I don’t know if this is the darkest timeline, but it’s definitely one that blows a whole bunch.
As he often does, Harmon took to Tumblr to explain the situation. In doing so, two things became very clear: 1) Sony never had any intention of bringing him back. 2) Harmon has no intention of staying with the show in a diminished capacity:
Why’d Sony want me gone? I can’t answer that because I’ve been in as much contact with them as you have. They literally haven’t called me since the season four pickup, so their reasons for replacing me are clearly none of my business. Community is their property, I only own ten percent of it, and I kind of don’t want to hear what their complaints are because I’m sure it would hurt my feelings even more now that I’d be listening for free.
I do want to correct a couple points of spin, now that I’m free to do so:
The important one is this quote from Bob Greenblatt in which he says he’s sure I’m going to be involved somehow, something like that. That’s a misquote. I think he meant to say he’s sure cookies are yummy, because he’s never called me once in the entire duration of his employment at NBC. He didn’t call me to say he was starting to work there, he didn’t call me to say I was no longer working there and he definitely didn’t call to ask if I was going to be involved. I’m not saying it’s wrong for him to have bigger fish to fry, I’m just saying, NBC is not a credible source of All News Dan Harmon.
You may have read that I am technically “signed on,” by default, to be an executive consulting something or other – which is a relatively standard protective clause for a creator in my position. Guys like me can’t actually just be shot and left in a ditch by Skynet, we’re still allowed to have a title on the things we create and “help out,” like, I guess sharpening pencils and stuff.
However, if I actually chose to go to the office, I wouldn’t have any power there. Nobody would have to do anything I said, ever. I would be “offering” thoughts on other people’s scripts, not allowed to rewrite them, not allowed to ask anyone else to rewrite them, not allowed to say whether a single joke was funny or go near the edit bay, etc. It’s….not really the way the previous episodes got done. I was what you might call a….hands on producer. Are my….periods giving this enough….pointedness? I’m not saying you can’t make a good version of Community without me, but I am definitely saying that you can’t make my version of it unless I have the option of saying “it has to be like this or I quit” roughly 8 times a day.
I’m not saying seasons 1, 2 and 3 were my definition of perfect television, I’m just saying that whatever they’re going to do for season 4, they’re aiming to do without my help. So do not believe anyone that tells you on Monday that I quit or diminished my role so I could spend more time with my loved ones, or that I negotiated and we couldn’t come to an agreement, etc. It couldn’t be less true because, just to make this clear, literally nobody called me. Also don’t believe anyone that says I have sex with animals. And if there’s a photo of me doing it with an animal – I’m not saying one exists, I’m just saying, if one surfaces – it’s a fake. Look at the shadow. Why would it be in front of the giraffe if the sun is behind the jeep?
Where was I? Oh yeah. I’m not running Community for season 4. They replaced me. Them’s the facts.
When I was a kid, sometimes I’d run home to Mommy with a bloody nose and say, “Mom, my friends beat me up,” and my Mom would say “well then they’re not worth having as friends, are they?” At the time, I figured she was just trying to put a postive spin on having birthed an unpopular pussy. But this is, after all, the same lady that bought me my first typewriter. Then later, a Commodore 64. And later, a 300 baud modem for it. Through which I met new friends that did like me much, much more.
I’m 39, now. The friends my Mom warned me about are bigger now, and older, bloodying my nose with old world numbers, and old world tactics, like, oh, I don’t know, sending out press releases to TV Guide at 7pm on a Friday.
So what does all this mean? Well, first and foremost, it means that “Community” will be a different show next year. That’s not to say it will definitively be better or worse — because we won’t know for sure until we see the new iteration of the show — just that it will be … different. Under Harmon, the show was a weird, quirky, smart, unpredictable comedy that was unlike anything else on television, and that was due almost entirely to his vision. You can’t pull that piece out of a Jenga tower and not expect at least some pretty serious wobbling. But he was also notoriously difficult to work with, especially when it came to dealing with the studio and network that cut his checks. No one’s hands are perfectly clean here, but yoinking a guy off something he created and lived and died with for three years without so much as a phone call is definitely a 7 or an 8 on the Dick Move Scale. (NOTE: The Dick Move Scale only goes to 5.)
More as this develops. Until then, everybody freak out.




#sixseasonsanewcastandadocumentary
Jesus Christ — just cancel it at this point.
Right? They may as well have, I can’t understand what they are trying to do at this point..
I feel like a deal similar to what Louis CK has w/ FX would be much more harmonious for Harmon – take this relatively small amount of money and basically go do what you want.
Yeah, this show should have picked up and moved to a smaller network ages ago. NBC is such a fuck-up it’s embarrassing at this point.
Does this mean Chevy won? THAT’S the one aspect of old media NBC listens to – old people love him from SNL? Stop trying to be CBS, dicks.
From everything I’ve read, the Chevy thing was a very small — albeit very public — part of the decision. If they didn’t have other issues with Harmon and wanted him back, it would have been crazy easy to kill off Pierce and let Chevy walk. There were lots of moving parts here.
Dammit Danger. I’m lashing out; why do you have to go ruin it with your logic and rationality?!
#fourseasonsandanafterschoolspecial
I think this is one of those “cutting off the nose to spite the face” times…
On the positive side, the network will almost certainly dumb down the show, which will mean more Annie’s Boobs episodes.
I was already leaning toward cancellation anyway. This seals it. Goodnight sweet prince.
This sums it up nicely, DG. I love you. “…yoinking a guy off something he created and lived and died with for three years without so much as a phone call is definitely a 7 or an 8 on the Dick Move Scale. (NOTE: The Dick Move Scale only goes to 5.)”
I’m a pathetically invested Community fan, to the point where I’m about to go to bed for the first time since Thursday night. I stayed up watching variations of Harmon support trend nationwide for 12+ hours, interacting with the (albeit insane) AVClub fans.
It was a dark night. (Now, please turn your head while I crawl away. I’m … going through some stuff right now. I’m very insecure.)
Couldn’t agree more. Plus, love the vice-dean reference
“But he was also notoriously difficult to work with, especially when it came to dealing with the studio and network that cut his checks.”
I’m sorry to pull you up here but how do you know this? Could it just be that executives didn’t like not having their dicks sucked constantly, and Harmon wasn’t interested in their opinion on dick suckage?
Making a TV show today is completely different than 20-30 years ago…there’s and inverted pyramid of executives with Talent at the VERY bottom, with not much say in anything. They have to placate and cajole and reassure all the stupid executives that don’t have a meaningful job anyway but instead have to justify it by giving “notes”. Dan Harmon was talented and maybe he didn’t think he had to convince a bunch of executives that alternate timelines are a funny thing to think about. Get 10 people in a room and they won’t all agree on whats funny more than likely…if Dan Harmon didn’t want to deal with that BS day in and day out like a smiling little whore, I’m just fine with that.
I’ll watch the end of Community, but I’ll always be glad we got our 3 whole seasons waayyy more than the 4th.
It’s pretty well known that Harmon is difficult to work with. Leaking the Chevy voicemails was not a cool thing to do, and his twitter and tumblr posts about his bosses have been less than complimentary. He’s been very outspoken about his concerns and what he feels are slights from the network. He’s been even more forthcoming and outspoken at his public speaking Harmontown events.
I love the dude and will watch anything he’s working on, but yea, probably a really difficult guy to supervise.
I’m basing it on pretty much everything I’ve read about the situation, which is a lot. Plus, Harmon has said as much himself. Go back and read about his exit as head writer on the Sarah Silverman Show.
He’s an extremely gifted writer and creator, and I love the guy, but according to more than a few sources his management skills leave something to be desired.
So basically he’s “House” and he’s an ass and difficult to work with according to idiots. I’m fine with that. Fuck’em.
I’ll repost my thoughts from the weekend preview thread:
My guess they’re gonna try to semi-reboot the show to make it appeal to a larger audience using those 13 episodes. It will of course fail because no new mass audience starts watching a show in its 4th season and is going to watch it on a friday night.
The core audience will be alienated, the critics and loyal fans will non-stop crucify Sony and NBC, with the drop in ratings and the audience backlash, it’ll be gone after 13.
They could have just killed it. Instead they ripped out the heart, organs, and guts, and are going to try to replace it with some new crap and call it the same thing. I really really have to stop giving a damn about tv shows, I really do. goddamnit.
My guess, everyone will end up pretending the 4th season didnt happen and let the 3rd season finale serve as the de facto series finale.
Beyond that the only chance we have is cancellation and rebirth on TBS with Harmon, and everyone acknowledging that the first season on TBS is the real continuation after season 3. This of course is pure fantasy and will never happen.
That’s exactly what I fear will happen.
Still, the two they brought in to replace Harmon have experience running TV shows before and were writer/producers of Happy Endings, a smart yet wacky ensemble show thats as close as you’ll get to Community on network TV. If anyone can continue the strong work that Harmon did on Community, I suppose its those two.
See I disagree with this. And maybe I’ll be proven hopefully wrong.
But the fact that the new showrunners are the some former Happy Endings peeps is nice and I like Happy Endings. But I’m not watching Community to watch a Happy Endings spinoff with different people.
The Happy Endings goofy and silly characters are great for that specific show. If they turn the characters from Community into just more Happy Endings characters that don’t fit who we know they are from the first 3 seasons, I’m out.
Happy Endings has its own flavor which I don’t love as much as most of the people seem too, but I enjoy it for that particular show. I don’t want to see a clone of it with the Greendale 7. I watch Community for its originality and imagination and creativity, if we’re just going to be getting Jeff Winger and crew just hanging out and being silly every week, that’s not Community.
In fact I’m worried it’s gonna turn me off from both Community and Happy Endings. NBC is going to try to “Friends”-ify the show, I have a feeling that’s exactly what they’re going to try to do to it.
God help me, Sony, if Abed becomes… normal.
Boom –
Do you think that we’re going to get a season 4 opener that is completely, wildly effing different from what we’ve seen for the last three years? This is pretty awful news, but frankly, I think one of the bigger questions involves how many of the current writing staff will stay on with the show, such as the lovely and talented Megan Ganz. Harmon of course was the captain and builder of this ship…but a ship doesn’t fall apart once its creator walks the plank. Maybe the new folks are better sailors or maybe they suck, but the boat is solid. As long as it has its main crew, it should be fine….right?
Wow, I really stretched that metaphor out as far as it would go. I’ll use a pop culture reference: Remember in Scott Pilgrim when Sex Bob-Omb sells out to Gideon? And then they’re just an empty husk of their former rockin’ selves? I think this whole situation depends upon whether the new showrunners are just puppets for the evil, old fools at NBC, or they still know how to kick some butt on stage.
Happy Endings is enjoyable, but it doesn’t have any where near as strong a through-line or as buttoned-up a structure as Community. The stakes from one episode to the next of Happy Endings are way lower than they are from one episode to the next of Community.
This is the one saving grace for me. They may be the only people (available) that have Harmon’s appreciation for pop culture and ability to build characters. My only fear is that they won’t be willing to take the risks Harmon did.
Not cool, not cool, not cool. At least negotiate with the man before you fire him from his baby. Or maybe call him before you tell the press?
It’s like NBC/Sony is Chang and they’re just replacing the Dean with a fake Dean and IT IS VERY EVIL AND WRONG AND YOU ARE THE WORST, NBC.
I just posted this on Twitter, but this whole thing reminds me of the scene in Wayne’s World where Wayne gets fired and Garth has to host the show by himself. I imagine the season four premiere will just be Troy staring into the camera mumbling “I’m having a good time … not.”
NBC blows goats.
Ashittynetworksayswhat
Garth, that was a haiku.
You know what NBC can do? They can…
/drowned out by overhead jet
…until the handle breaks off and you have to get a doctor to pull it back out again!
well played.
DG: Anything wrong, Dan?
Dan: Yeah, I got paid today.
DG: Yeah, I know what thats like.
Dan: No. You dont understand. They laid me off. I got one of these. *holds up pink slip*
DG: Yeah, I know how that feels.
Dan: Know what I’d like to do?
DG: Yeah, I know what you’d like to do. You’d like to find the guy who did it, rip his still beating heart out of his chest and hold it in front of his face so he can see how black it is before he dies.
Dan: Actually, I was thinking of filing a grievance with the internet.
DG: Well, the world’s a twisted place.
Way to Britta everything up, NBC.
Calm down everyone, maybe this is all a meta-ploy by Evil Abed that will turn into an ARG to promote NBC’s full commitment to Community for season four, two more seasons, and a movie.
Butterfly in the sky…I can go twice as high…
@Cherry_Ghost
in response, the problem is, it isn’t just Harmon that got fired. It’s McKenna, the Russo brothers, there’s also rumors that Ganz could be gone too.
It’s not just firing a showrunner. It seems like Sony is intent on a total creative makeover where the writting staff is constantly being handed down notes about how to make the episode “better” which is the opposite of having Dan Harmon put his final rewrite on it.
The 13 episodes will be used as a test-run to see if they can make the new version show have a broader appeal…. aka dumb it way down and take away the show’s imagination. Id rather it have just gotten cancelled and maybe TBS would could have swooped in and paired it with CougarTown and kept Community in tact as we know it. I have a bad feeling the 4th season is going to be a bad remake of the first three seasons.
#threeseasonsandathirteenepisodefuneral.
Fair enough, but people like Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan still seem to be with the show. However, I really do think the royal and collective “We” will have to wait until at least Monday or another week to see what the true fallout is. I saw Ganz’s Twitter post; cryptic Twitter post is cryptic. If I wake up for my college graduation on the 21st and read about writers and staff leaving Community in droves, then we are indeed in the darkest timeline. Until then, I think we can hold off on full-on brain crying.
@Cherry_Ghost
Goldman and Donovan are out too. They were leaving before Harmon was fired
Then it looks like there are two fewer reasons to stay hopeful. Wompwomp.
Now while there is usually much justification for NBC bashing my understanding is that the recent purge is all Sony’s vile doings as they are the company which actually produces the show. NBC just airs it.
That’s not quite how it works. Once the network purchases a show they can, and often do, exert influence over the show itself … for a very popular show, they have less say, but for a show with middling-ratings, they can order and get wholesale changes.
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I do love how NBC/Sony’s plan to announce this on a Friday night to avoid more backlash has backfired. Because we’re crazy. In a good way.
They assume that people don’t get on the internet on the weekends. It’s a common assumption held by major television networks and grandparents.
They were better off cancelling the show after last Thursday’s finale. NBC/Sony doesn’t seem to really get why Community is even somewhat popular, who it’s popular with, and why its ratings are poor. It’s just not a show for the old media, and what they’re trying to do is change the show to make it more palatable for old media viewers; the show’s quirkiness, meta-references and use of in jokes are cranked up to 11 and have been since Season 2, and that’s not even mentioning the weird development of Senior Chang. The show is very alienating to an audience who never watched the beginning of the show, and the ratings reflect that.
What’s baffling to me, however, is the process of changing the creative brains behind the show, then shuffling the show to Friday nights. It’s seems like a waste; even if the show becomes “better,” I doubt people would still watch it. No one knows that Dan Harmon and the a good piece of the creative crew are out except the very same audience that’s keeping that show alive, or what some media outlets refer to as Community’s”cult”; the average TV watcher doesn’t even know who these people are, don’t care, and won’t see it as having any bearing on a show they probably didn’t like to begin with. Shuffling it to Friday night seems to just be the final “justification” of cancelling a show that should have been cancelled a season ago, and really just a move to anger fans of the show.
Precisely.. Cancel it after the 3rd season finale, and let someone else pick it up and deliver it to fans; Dan Harmon and all.
lots of you guys are blaming NBC for this, it’s a combination of both Sony AND NBC. Don’t get it twisted.
I know I’m not saying anything new here, but…fuck.
Well, at least “The Office” can make me groan on Thursday nights in its same goddamn time slot for another season.
One of the things that really gets me is that Sony announced this via press release at 7 PM on a Friday like the thought nobody would find out about this.
Community is the Internet’s favorite show. Does Sony not know how the internet works? Of course we would find out about this.
With Harmon, McKenna, and the Russos leaving, my excitement for Season 4 has diminished quite a bit.
Next season’s reaction to/summary of the 13 episodes:
1) Huh, that was pretty good. Maybe everything will be okay.
2) Pretty okay, felt a little off on some parts, an episode about Shirley balancing her business and family life felt really straightforward, thats all. Wonder what the next “theme” episode will be.
3) Not bad, i dont know though, seemed like tonight had Friends vibe to it, probably nothing
4) They seem to be going pretty hard with the Britta/Troy drama huh? How come the Dean is hasnt worn any costumes yet? Does the Dream-atorium still exist or…
5) Where’s Abed been? Anyone else starting to get a little worried about the direction of the show after the whole meet the parents episode between Britta and Troy tonight?
6) How about that battle of the sexes episode last night between Abed/Troy and Annie/Britta at the apartment? AmIRight? Also am I the only one who’s noticed Pierce hasn’t done or said anything close to off-color this season? No Dean outfits either yet…
7) What a wild Abed episode – first he gets amnesia so he cant remember anything about film history anymore and the reveal that he’s actually from India, and that his real father wants him to work at a help desk and have an arranged marriage, DRAMA!
8) So Jeff Winger’s dad is Bruce Willis and he has a long lost brother played by Matthew Perry, who knew? And how about that twist at the end with Jeff’s brother needing to move into Jeff’s apartment for a few episodes didnt see that one coming!
9) Sweet the first theme episode of the season… wait, a 40 minute extended paintball special, I thought the show told us last year that the concept was over done at this point?
10) So… there’s a laugh track now?
11) Whoa a shotgun wedding with Troy and Britta, and both Annie and Jeff went to break it up only to realize they are truly right for each other right along, awwww makes you feel so good. I got scared when Abed lost the ring down the sink for a second there and the priest got called away. But then everything was cool when Abed not only found the ring but explained he got ordained on the internet so he could marry Troy and Britta. You’ve done it again MustSeeTv.
12) A crossover with The Office, I quit.
13) Next week on the series finale of Community… Annie has a surprise for Jeff that he might find to be a “little bump” in the road back to his career, meanwhile Troy must come to grips with the fact that his marriage with Britta takes priority over his friendship with Abed. Pierce and Chang come out of the closet to each other and realize what’s been missing in their lives has been there all along these past 4 years. And Abed remembers his love of film but decides he’d rather study math and become a scientist.
Hey now, this news sucks, but let’s not jump the gun. The new guys are coming from Happy Endings, which has, for the most part, consistently resisted melodramatic sitcom tropes like shotgun weddings. However, they are consulting producers for HE and don’t have any specific writing credits on that show, so it’s hard to judge what their style is based on that. But they were consulting producers on some of the better HE endings, including “Mein Coming Out” and “Dave of the Dead.”
The important thing right now is to hope that Harmon’s exit doesn’t trigger a mass exodus from the writing room. Because if the new showrunners give writers like Steve Basilone and Megan Ganz enough creative leeway, we will still get something that approximates classic Community. It will be different, but not an entirely new show. If they clean house, that’s when we can start worrying about the show aggressively devolving.
But man, does this whole thing still blow.
Well done. Dark, disturbing, and probably true, but well done.
I need help responding to something
well played
Meh, sometimes community tried too hard, this season was just good and that is just because Thursdays episodes redeemed it. I’m sure many of the writers still know how to write and the actors still know how to act. Thus I ain’t scared.
Many of the writing team is also gone or going though…
Give it a chance. Worst shit has happened on a tv show and ended up a little better. I couldn’t even begin to name a show, but I am sure it happens some where some time some place… long live pillow forts!
I’ve already bought a good strong rope…can’t let it go to waste now.
I’m curious … what “worse shit” has happened to a tv show then it’s creator and most of the major writers being fired that resulted in the show being “a little better”?
This is Twin Peaks all over again.
I think it’s safe to say that next year’s 13 episodes will be #69-81 on the awesomeness rankings posted a few days ago.
I don’t think we were supposed to see it, but the top-secret plan for next season of Community has leaked. The new showrunners, who got most of their experience running Just Shoot Me!, have some big changes in store for the Greendale Seven. Laugh tracks, new family members, catchphrases, weddings — everything that makes a sitcom a ratings winner is coming to Community.
[www.billkuchman.com]
This news is worse than watching Dance Moms again.
/Fuck NBC and Sony.
Been reading the twitter reactions by the cast and crew. Dino Stamatopolous definitely has the most uncensored rage.
[https://twitter.com/#!/dinosthirdtwitt]
I’m bummed, but hopeful that the cast one or two remaining writers will still keep the quirkiness the same.
Otherwise, I’m growing a black beard.
what’s a showrunner?
Graham Lineham tweeted this:
That is damning.